Posted on 11/28/2012 9:42:40 AM PST by Perseverando
For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone. Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission, or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.
Since Barack Obama’s re-election, hundreds of thousands of petitioners for secession have reached the White House. Some people have argued that secession is unconstitutional, but there’s absolutely nothing in the Constitution that prohibits it. What stops secession is the prospect of brute force by a mighty federal government, as witnessed by the costly War of 1861. Let’s look at the secession issue.
At the 1787 Constitutional Convention, a proposal was made to allow the federal government to suppress a seceding state. James Madison, the acknowledged father of our Constitution, rejected it, saying: “A Union of the States containing such an ingredient seemed to provide for its own destruction. The use of force against a State would look more like a declaration of war than an infliction of punishment and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound.”
On March 2, 1861, after seven states had seceded and two days before Abraham Lincoln’s inauguration, Sen. James R. Doolittle of Wisconsin proposed a constitutional amendment that said, “No State or any part thereof, heretofore admitted or hereafter admitted into the Union, shall have the power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United
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Texas is much different from 1840. Texas is far more dependent on the US economy.
adding emancipation after the war was underway
Let’s not forget that emancipation applied ONLY to those states that were in rebellion. Maryland still had slaves until the thirteenth amendment was ratified.
False. This is one of those statistics you can twist to tell whatever lie you want, but every source I can find lists Texas as a net contributor.
The federal debt is just that. Ultimately it is tied to US currency. Given what is happening in Washington you would have to be insane to adopt the dollar as your currency today. As far as federal assets, Texas is not a state with a tremendous amount of federal land, in fact, the proportion is tiny. It is more likely Texas would charge the feds rent for their facilities on Texas land.
Again, when you lament over payments from the federal government you expose yourself as a democrat. The federal government has to take everything it gives, and it takes more from Texas than it gives back. Texas secedes and all things being equal its citizens get a tax cut just from not having to support federal employees. That and deal with the exodus of people leaving Texas for the US, and the influx of people headed for Texas from the US. Strike 3.
Win-win. You get the welfare mooches, Texas gets the people who want to work and be free.
So you hate Texas. Stay in your blue state getting welfare. You have shown yourself to be entirely ignorant of the situation. Why you keep posting to this thread is beyond me since you have nothing to offer but ignorance.
Texas does indeed get more from the Feds than it pays.
I have little ignorance to offer, but what I can do is expose your falsehoods...
Texas pays $2243 per capita in net tax contributions
What are your sources?
This whole taxes “recieved” thing is bogus. And it is meaningless to the discussion of taxes anyways.
How do you count?
For example, the Lockheed company in Ft Worth gets paid for F-35 development. Yet, as a Delaware company, that payment gets credited (on the Wikipedia) to Delaware... The salaries of the people in Ft. Worth are then not counted as paid by the Federal government, though their taxs are. That is a bias in the Wikipedia numbers, as should be obvious by the very large numbers reported as paid by Delaware.
Further, taxes paid by Lockheed include taxes on value added by subcontractors in other states.
That is perhaps the best indication that the US economy is closely linked.
A very small part of the federal budget actually goes to accomplish anything truly beneficial anymore. But even ignoring all that, Texas gives more than it receives.
lol.
How does that work, if we send a billion to Brazil, which state “recieved” it?
If we station armies in europe and asia for decades, which state “recieved” that?
States should not recieve ANYTHING from the federal government. The federal government should only be collecting exactly what it needs for the core, Constitutional operations of the federal government. And nothing else.
States should likewise raise their own revenue for their own operations as should counties and cities.
The majority of the federal budget is payments to individuals not to work, not to plan, not to be a functioning member of society. That in itself destroys the notion that the states need the federal government to work.
Earlier in the thread I believe someone boiled down the real benefit to about 20% of what is outgoing.
Yet people pay Social Security Tax from Texas. People in Texas receive Social Security payments.
Is that a benefit? Depends on which side of the stick the brown is on.
Florida probably gets a lot of SS money for the people that retire there. Rather a lot work in NY, and retire in Florida. Is that a benefit to Florida? Is that a cost to NY?
Sounds to me like the economy is tightly entwined. If the retired person gets his SS delivered to Belize, which state benefits?
Perhaps we should figure out how to cut back on unconstitutional federal government spending before we decide on how many potential allies in that effort we want to drive off.
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