Posted on 11/08/2012 6:25:55 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
Reading the last two days discussion of what happened Tuesday, IMO there is one line of argument that needs to be abandoned because it's both incorrect and counterproductive:
"They stole it".
The problem with the "vote fraud" theory is that that convincing evidence that it's not correct; for example the actual results were very close to the aggregate polling predictions in the last weeks before the election, see for example:
http://election.princeton.edu/2012/11/07/after-the-storm/
For that to happen you would not only have to rig not only the election but also both the national and state level polling in such a way that the polls and final results would line up.
And the only way to do that massive conspiracy between polling organizations in fifty different states, which was somehow conducted without any evidence of it coming to light... and which operated almost perfectly each of the last three election cycles.
And the problem with believing that this sort of massive and perfectly conducted conspiracy is the problem, is that if prevents you from looking at the actual problem.
Which is that current Republican party can't sell the current conservative program as presented in the party platform and by the candidates to a majority of voters in the states with the EV total needed to win a presidential election - not even near the bottom of a deep recession when you opponent has may obvious flaws.
A national political party or movement in such a position may or may not be able and/or willing to do what's needed to change such a result.
But if you admit you have a problem, you have the potential to change something that might change your results.
But as long as your explanation for your poor results is "they stole it" - in the face of very convincing evidence from the aggregate polling that this did not happen - all you can do is stand around hoping the other guy screws up worst than you do, or that circumstances change to your advantage for reasons beyond their control, or both.
Which is hope, not a program.
Excellent summary.
It was rigged to at least some extent and the media of course winked and looked away, knowing that any protest on our part could simply be tossed aside as the actions of sore losers throwing a fit. And as always the democrats made sure to “Alinsky” the situation beforehand by accusing Republicans of trying to suppress the vote.
The democrats and the rats in the media are thoroughly corrupt, and so too is our system. I hate to say, but i’m not at all optimistic that things will change since so many Republican ‘leaders’ are terrified of taking a stand after seeing what happens to those who try to fight back (such as Bachmann, Palin, and West).
>18% turnout in the primaries gave us the worst candidate since hoover, and one that can barely qualify as a rino, let alone a centrist moderate.
so, put the blame where it belongs... on the backs of the voters...<
Bull. Just bull. In my state, the ONLY choices I had in the primary were (A) Romney or (B) Ron Paul. And you want to know why only a small percentage came out to vote???
I totally agree. Repubs are naive and innocent. They also don’t want to be sore losers. They have yet to figger out the key word is “loser”. Our side are not good fighters. If we were stealing elections the outcry would be super loud.
The dems love it that we keep stabbing each other in the back and doing the circular firing sqaud within the party.
They know that the fix was in and they enjoy all the angst.
If you post at other news sites, the libs always taunt you with that.
I had one post to me you all aren’t going to win. Got it? LOL
He was correct.
Congressional districts are almost identical in population nationwide.
How is it that voters chose Republican reps and then voted for Obama, gay marriage, and lib Senators?
Much of the reason is that Republicans success at the state-house level has given the party the redistricting upper hand. Added to the advantages of incumbency (including the Republican success in the 2010 congressional elections), there is now around a generic 2.5 percent Republican advantage in congressional races(1).
Given the Republican state-level successes in 2012, we will likely see this effect increase for at least the next 1-2 election cycles.
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(1) There is an introductory discussion of the redistricting and incumbency effects here: http://election.princeton.edu/2012/10/04/quantifying-the-effect-of-redistricting/
I cannot disagree about romney... but romney is finished forever in politics... we face elections the rest of our lives.
LLS
Uh... the aggregated polling was almost spot on in FL:
Predicted: 49.8 / 49.8
Actual: 49.9 / 49.3
Projected: Scroll down to the filter for individual state projections on the right hand side.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/
Actual: http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/
And Ohio, where we know there was massive voter fraud.
Predicted: 51.3 / 47.7
Actual: 50.1 / 48.2
Obama slightly under-performed relative to polling - the opposite of what would be expected as a result of significant voter fraud.
Does not man that there was no fraud, but IMO it's a pretty convincing demonstration that it was not a significant factor.
As far as the polls go. The media owns the polls. And the media is in the pockets of the democrats in case you did not figure that out. You can’t let up on vote fraud. Something has to be done to stop it or your vote simply does not count.
So will there be lawsuits over this, and especially for assault and battery for the “forcibly removed” lady?
Bitching about it or giving up doesn’t cure the problem.
they mainstream pubs can believe what they want and they talk a good talk....
Romney won...in Virginia and Florida and Ohio and probably other states...
the people were there..in record numbers for republicans...
we KNOW that machines got "caught" in several states going for bammey when the voter had pressed Romney.....that was not a coincidence....
bury your head...
lets pretend it didn't happen....
but it did....
I think its happened before...
I have no idea what to do about it....maybe its not fixable....
We’ll see what the GOP does. I know they had a cadre of lawyers running in and out all day.
pretty discouraging about the lack of values and ethics and morality....
but then people will go to their churches like they're some sort of good Christian....
we need to continue to take over state houses and legislatures as we can...
we need voter id and we need more control over registrations.....
we need vote integrity of our voting machines....they must be calibrated before and after by officials of both parties...and stopped several times during voting hours to check them again....
every voter needs to have his or her vote verified by a paper copy.....
of course this would take massive numbers of volunteers.....but if it meant taking our country back, couldn't we do it?
Excellent! Once again, you are right and speak the truth..
You really worked hard during this election...
Thanks for that...
I will always credit you for your role here during this time...
Kudos and cheers....
Minnesota voters just rejected the voter ID law. :(
We have to have these votes in off presidential vote years.
BS....there are over 165,000 Precincts in this country.....in Portland, Oregon True the Vote found 2000 “registered voters” at a homeless shelter that didn’t receive mail....it would be VERY easy to commit FRAUD, which I believe happened. And, what needs to be addressed are the voter rolls and ID issues we lack in this Country. We’ve been conned.
And I like to remember that infamous open mic time when Obutthead and Medeved were chatting and Obutthead says, “... After the election, I will have more flexibility...”
He DIDN’T say, “ If I win the election...” Or anything that implied he had a challenge in winning...
And he was consistently down in the polls, favor ability, etc....
I just want free condoms and an Obama phone.
BULL SHIT !!
I'm talking about the RCP aggregated poll numbers. they were well off the mark. Do you know what aggregated means?
Thank you very much. I promise... I am going nowhere and I will be right here telling it like I see it. GOD bless you... we are not finished yet!
LLS
That's a huge number and a pretty clear sign of fraud.
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