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To: SMGFan

Math is a progressive endeavor.

You take simple, intermediate, and more complex courses, until you have attained your goal.

What chance do you have to become proficient in the higher courses, if you only get 66% right in the foundational courses?

Shouldn’t professional educators know this?

I’d rather see a kid held over a year or even three, and then graduated with sufficient skills to get them through life. We are graduating kids today, that will be a burden on society for their entire lives.

It’s getting to the place having a high school diploma means nothing. Getting? It’s already there isn’t it.


18 posted on 08/26/2012 2:50:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Professional educators rarely understand this.

Why? Because they rarely understand math. Most people who major in education do so because they are not very good at science and math. Teachers who are good at science and math usually major in those subjects and then get into education and teach them.

Most of those in the bureaucracy are scientifically and mathematically illiterate. There are exceptions, but not many.

My personal experience with education majors is that most are concerned with “feelings” and have little use for facts. In addition, they are far more concerned with the feelings of the failing students, the “at risk” students, and the disruptive students than they are with the kids who are successful. They never stop to think about the feelings of the smart and/or hard-working kids whose achievements are devalued by inflating the grades of those who did not work as hard.

And btw, if it were up to me, a kid would have to get at least 90% to go on to the next level of math. The only reason I don’t say 100% is because I’m willing to allow for some “stupid mistakes” as opposed to deficits in understanding.


39 posted on 08/26/2012 3:25:58 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

no matter...they turn 16 and go into the drug business in our city...aka...a typical welfare city


44 posted on 08/26/2012 3:42:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: DoughtyOne
What chance do you have to become proficient in the higher courses, if you only get 66% right in the foundational courses?

I'm 55 years old and all through my school years 65 or below was F. I think it was the same for my parents as well. The classes in high school were basically three different paths or study levels. College Prep, Basic, and Remedial level. Algebra nor higher math courses were required but two years basic Math was requirred. I took Basic English, Basic History, Remedial Science, Remedial Math if I remember right and Voc/Tech classes.

A fellow classmate and later on a shipmate of mine took about the same level of courses in high school. He dropped out of school in his junior year and enlisted. I didn't see him again till two years later after I graduated and enlisted. I saw him on the ship a week or so after I got there. He now works in a bank and has done good for himself. I did pretty good for myself as a HVAC/Electrical maintenance mechanic.

My point is it's not the grades so much but rather it's what you learn to start with and retain. Teachers want Algebra taught in grade school before fifth grade. The kids can't recite their multiplication tables yet but the morons will teach Algebra to them though.

Some people can ace test and not have a lick of common sense. Others don't fair well in test but have good skills in all other aspects. For those who like myself were obviously not college suitable there again needs to be a way through high school as there was when I was in school. The No Child Left behind and lets put everyone in the same advanced classes is a bunch of garbage. It gets even worse when the funding hungry school systems have the state to pass laws keeping kids in high school till 18 or completion of their senior year.

I'm not saying let them slide I'm saying make better use of their time. My ex-father in law went through the sixth or seventh grade. He was a tractor trailer mechanic for Ryder. I may not be able to do advanced Math formulas but I can do a lot of basic Math in my head with short cuts I've adapted too for functional Math including shopping without a calculator with a limit on spending and hit a $350 limit within $15 or so. I can do all Math required for the several skilled trades I have had in my life.

I was a low C average student most of my school years. I did not hit B honor roll till my senior year and I was only taking English. I was working a 8-5 full time job my senior year and did the English at home after work having a friend turn it in for me. High school needs to be completely split into two different education paths of either College Prep of Trades.

48 posted on 08/26/2012 5:12:28 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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