I say Akin was right; and AIN'T I A WOMAN?**

the conservative circular firing squad | August 22, 2012 | me

[shhrubbery!]

First, I'm a woman. (Seems to be an important qualification if one is to be allowed to have an opinion on "womens' bodies.")

I'm used to being attacked by the harridans of the Left, who claim that if you're a pro-life, then you're NOT A WOMAN.

But I'm not used to hearing conservatives knee-jerk to the idea that something is "idiotic" just because it's politically incorrect ... according to those same rabid harridans of the Left.

I think, like Akin did, that a woman's endocrine system CAN sometimes "shut down" the process of conception, or implantation, as a result of traumatic stress suffered by the woman.

It so happens there are respected physicians who believe this is possible too: Dr. John C. WIlkie, MD, OB/GYN. And there is some research that tends to back this up (see references at bottom of this page.

We may never have a 100% dispositive study that proves that pregnancy as a result of rape is rare. Real numbers are hard to come by. And sadly, any researcher who attempts an objective study is going to be excoriated like Mark Regnerus (who studied homosexual parenting) or Jay Belsky (who studied the effects of putting children in day care).

But many women know, intuitively, that what Akin said is not "imbecilic." Many women have experience with their endocrine systems going awry, due to stress. I myself have carried four pregnancies to term, but lost one, probably due to stress that caused an endocrine malfunction.

** "Ain't I a woman" is a quote from Sojourner Truth, a strong Christian black woman. She wasn't going to stand for her opinion being shut down because she was (a) a woman and (b) voicing ideas that weren't popular in some circles. And neither am I.

[nicmarlo]

I'm not used to hearing conservatives knee-jerk to the idea that something is "idiotic" just because it's politically incorrect ... according to those same rabid harridans of the Left. I think, like Akin did, that a woman's endocrine system CAN sometimes "shut down" the process of conception, or implantation, as a result of traumatic stress suffered by the woman.

Personally, I don't care if he's medically correct in what he said. He needn't have said what he did. It was beyond stupid.

Secondly, what right does he have to tell a raped female, of any age, that she must carry a child through to term, and then be traumatized yet again by either a) raising it or b) having someone adopt it? Does God condone abortion? No. Does God condone rape? No.

But what if the victim is a 13 year old child? Did Akin counsel his own daughter to carry a baby to term if she were ever raped? Did he prepare in her formative years to learn how to deal with the psychological affects after the raping, and the peer taunting while pregnant, for teaching her how deal with the emotional trauma she may feel for 9 months and then after the birth, and possibly for the rest of her life, too? Does any parent?

If my daughter was raped and became pregnant, I could not tell her that she would be committing a greater sin for ending a life that began by a man forcing himself upon her. I admit this. I also could not tell her that because she got pregnant, she 'really' wasn't raped.

[Lorianne]

Abortion in the case of rape ONLY CONTINUES THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE

That’s all that needs to be said on the rape matter.
No other discussion is neccessary or helpful to the pro-Life cause.

[JediJones]

Secondly, what right does he have to tell a raped female, of any age, that she must carry a child through to term, and then be traumatized yet again by either a) raising it or b) having someone adopt it?

Adoption is a trauma but abortion is a beautiful experience? Wow. Not much of a conservative are you? You also disagree with the official GOP party platform if you approve of abortion in the case of rape.

I also could not tell her that because she got pregnant, she 'really' wasn't raped.

No one ever said such a thing. That's complete nonsensical BS that was neither stated nor implied by anything Akin said. He said pregnancy is rare in the case of rape, that's it. So if you're pregnant as a result of a rape, that means you're a rare case. It doesn't mean it didn't happen or that you don't exist.

[nicmarlo]

I’m not a Republican, so the GOP platform means little to me.

I’m a conservative born again Christian. I still wouldn’t tell my daughter or anyone else that they will go to hell for having an abortion if they were raped. That’s between them and God.

I get his point. You don’t get mine. He didn’t need to say what he said. It was beyond stupid.

[Tennessee Nana]

Secondly, what right does he have to tell a raped female, of any age, that she must carry a child through to term, and then be traumatized yet again by either a) raising it or b) having someone adopt it?
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I use to get its tramatic for a woman to carry a baby to term just to give it up for prefnancies that werent resulting from rape...

Nic that s the lefts talking point its a decades old exzcuse...

Pregnant girl: OOO it would break my heart to give up my baby youre cruel expecting me too...

Me: Then keep it then ...

Girl: No Ive told you I cant afford to I have to finish college the sky is falling blah blah blah...I HAVE to have an abortion...

Me: Well then since you say it will break your heart to give up your child why would you want to kill her ???

Girl: Kill my baby ??? Why would you say I want to kill my baby ???

Me: Thats what abortion is The baby dies. Why dont you have her and let someone adopt her ???

Girl: Oh how can you suggest I give up my baby ??? Youre so mean..

So you see Nic it was a tactic...

Pro-lifers were cruel and forcing a woman to have a baby and they were cruel and forcing a woman to give up her baby for adoption...

But killing the baby in an abortion was never ever cruel...

Its a wonder I had any hair left in those early years of the pro-life movement before pro-life was cool...

[spacejunkie2001]

Excellent summation! I have had to completely tune this arrogant dolt out over the past couple of days. Truly nauseating...

[exDemMom]

But what if the victim is a 13 year old child? Did Akin counsel his own daughter to carry a baby to term if she were ever raped? Did he prepare in her formative years to learn how to deal with the psychological affects after the raping, and the peer taunting while pregnant, for teaching her how deal with the emotional trauma she may feel for 9 months and then after the birth, and possibly for the rest of her life, too? Does any parent?

I suggest checking out this website, which is dedicated to the topic of pregnancy resulting from rape, hosted by a woman who herself was conceived by rape: Conceived in Rape

You aren't necessarily saving a girl from any trauma by forcing (or pressuring) her to undergo abortion following the rape. Abortion is invasive. Abortion kills her child (and, yes, she does know it is a child and it is hers). Abortion can leave physical damage that makes it difficult or impossible to ever carry another child to term, or even to conceive. Instead of relieving her from a burden as abortion advocates would have you believe, you are subjecting her to another burden, which can have serious adverse effects on her physical and emotional health (which is already fragile because of the rape).

Statistically, women who conceive through rape are LESS likely to abort than women who freely choose to become pregnant.

[exDemMom]

Women almost never get pregnant from rape because the rapists doesn’t time the rape to coincide with her cycle.

As I and others have discussed, there is a LOT more involved than just timing.

[trisham]

I have no idea why you directed such a nasty post to me.

[justice14]

I don’t support killing a child regardless of the circumstances that created His/Her life.

In the case of saving the mother’s life, that is understandable and is between the person and God.

[TigersEye]

No need to. You’ve both been told now.

[Tennessee Nana]

Oh I ‘m sorry..

That “nasty dunce” bit was not to you...

I was directing it to Romney..

How did he come up with that “millions” number ???

[trisham]

I don’t know. I haven’t been paying much attention to him lately.

[TigersEye]

"I’m someone who works in the medical field.- My degree is in biology-Having worked in sales, I can tell you that its really not possible to overestimate the stupidity of a considerable amount of people out there."

"I’ve met some absolutely brilliant people who had no more than a high-school diploma. On the other hand some of the biggest, most helpless fools I’ve known were extremely well educated."

The last two sentences are another example of how this poster likes to cover all bases by making contradictory statements so that no matter what he can claim to be right.

Must be a graduate of the Saul Alinsky Institute of Higher Deception.

[Tennessee Nana]

When my youngest daugter was 19 she and I talked about abortion...

She was pro-life but as proven by these threads the last couple of days that can mean anything...

pro-life is not necessary pro-life pro-life...

I asked her to please not have an abortion if she got pregnant out of wedlock ...that baby would be my grandchild ...

I told her she was always welcome in my home and that together we would work it out...

I assured her I would be disappointed but I would still love her and my future grandchild and that she and her unborn baby would have a home with me...

I dont remember mentionng rape...

I wanted to cover the bases...”Oh my mother will kill me if she finds out Im pregnant Id better have an abortion so she wont find out and be upset...”

I wanted to tell her what my feelings were on the subject of unmarried pregnancy before the fact and not after...

That she could rely on me to be in her corner when she messed up and needed help...

[xsmommy]

There are studies of alien abduction and “reputable” people who believe in it, doesn’t make it any more true than this cockamamie idea of women’s bodies preventing conception in the instance of rape . I’m also a woman, and Akin is full of it; an ego driven individual who would destroy the chances of overturning Obamacare and saving babies via conservative seats on the Sup Ct were we only able to take the Senate [and the presidency].

[Tennessee Nana]

Oh again

I was “asking” Romney...

You and I are cool

I think

:)

[TigersEye]

There certainly are instances of “illegitimate rape.” There are the women who cry rape the morning after, statutory rape as mentioned earlier, false rape claims like the Duke case, and other circumstances wherein the image of a violent, forced rape is not the truth of the matter. Perhaps “illegitimate” was the wrong word to use among people whose only definition of “illegitimate” is “fake” or “born outside of wedlock,” but the word can be used as a synonym for invalid or otherwise not generally accepted.

Fantastic post! Thank you for injecting some basic science and common sense.

[trisham]

Thanks, Nana. We are super-cool. :)

[TigersEye]

Abortion in the case of rape ONLY CONTINUES THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE

That’s all that needs to be said on the rape matter.
No other discussion is neccessary or helpful to the pro-Life cause.

You may be right. Perhaps politicians should speak to the electorate is if we are all troglodytes who can't understand anything more complicated than Hope & Change, Vote For Me!

Abortion in the case of rape ONLY CONTINUES THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE

That’s all that needs to be said on the rape matter.
No other discussion is neccessary or helpful to the pro-Life cause.