Posted on 08/13/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by blam
When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
August 13, 2012
By Jim Karger
“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.
Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.
According to Public Intelligence:
“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”
And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice… for the moment.
I think that Homeland Security is building "Obama's Civilian National Security Force" for that purpose.
Why Is Homeland Security Buying 450 Million Rounds of Hollow Point Bullets?
Barack Obama Quote:
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
(Obama speech in Colorado Springs, Colorado, July 2, 2008)
“Neocon”? Seriously? “Neocon” is Leftist code for “Jew”. This Leftist expat doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
I can just imaging the orders be given: “Here is a list of all licensed hunters in Pennsylvania, please go disarm them.”
Ya right.
Perhaps not now.
And I don’t mean to denigrate the many fine young men & women out there today.
But I see an increasing number of antisocial, dead-end, under-educated (especially in matters Constitutional) yutes. They might think their government handout is what made this country great. Add to that illegal aliens whose national pride lies elsewhere.
As the numbers of these increase, the calculation changes.
Never mind the traditional military - what if the government saw fit to give these folks access to significant weaponry?
I don’t doubt there are some who might take advantage of the shift in the balance of power, and won’t let mere words stop them.
That might be true. But a large number would turn around and frag their commander’s ass...It has happened many times.
That might be true. But a large number would turn around and frag their commander’s ass...It has happened many times.
You mean like Hugo Chavez is doing?
Venezuela Plans A Million Strong ‘Guerrilla Army’ Against US Invasion
http://www.businessinsider.com/venezuela-trains-soldiers-in-guerilla-warfare-2012-8#ixzz23VW49RTC
I keep having occasion to post this, which I keep handy on my FR profile page. I am not happy about that.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - The Gulag Archipelago
Anyone who knows the history of 20th Century tyrants who doesn’t have a basic kit is a damn fool.
http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
The traditional soldier is being driven out.
Spirited: You are right. Our increasingly ‘liberalized’ military has been losing its’ traditional officers for years now and the current program is to rid it of traditional soldiers.
The conscienceless ruling elite are building a military and police force of demoralized, disloyal “yes-men” who if told to fire upon Americans will do so. As evidence of their success: Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the jack-booted seizure and forced return of an immigrant Cuban boy to communist Cuba a few years ago.
I’m behind the curve getting that posted, but check out the link for the numbers on what happens if you let things go.
Gun? What gun? Oh right, right, right, the pistol and rifle I registered a few years ago? You know about year ago I went hunting by myself and unfortunately had a bit to much beer and somehow lost both weapons in the mountains(forest etc).
I felt so dumb I never even reported the loss to the insurance company. Sorry I can’t help you.
“I say the police would turn tail and run at the first whiff of armed opposition.”
Trigger-happy cops “in fear for their lives” suddenly not so trigger-happy?
Guns? What guns? I lost all of mine in a boating accident. I swear!
Sure. The ‘state’ has been so successful in stopping gang violence and shootings in inner cities, like Chicago.....
From what I have seen through my life a good portion of cops are cowards. They pull in fat paychecks and talk tough when they know they have the upper hand.
SWAT and forced entry teams are full of themselves when they can break down doors of citizens in the dark of night, shoot the family dog and then tie up the women and children.
They will run like the true cowards they are when they find out a pissed off citizenry has them surrounded and are picking them off from every angle. Body armor or not, an inner thigh shot with even a bolt action rifle will ruin their day and multiply that by a couple dozen or more free citizens those bolt action rifles will convince them who really owns this Country, and it won’t be them.
The cop that tries to confiscate my weapons will commit suicide by citizen before I am a victim of suicide by cop!
WELL, you know obammy and holder won’t start disarming Watts, South Chicago, Liberty City first now don’t ya?
82nd Airbourne will have quite a time doing that.
“If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition...”
It’s not necessary to be a hard case or even particularly courageous to carry out civil disobedience.
In such a case as the author suggests, millions of firearms will “go missing” to such an extent that three generations down the road they’ll STILL be digging them out of landfills, forest or desert or mountain or swampland caches, from behind walls, bricked up under patios, wrapped in oilskins and hidden in lakes or down drains or in pipes or even cesspools, up in the rafters... to effectively disarm America, the military - assuming they would even execute such an order - would have to quite literally dismantle the nation.
It ain’t gonna happen.
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