When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over

The Daily Reckoning ^ | 8-13-2012 | Jim Karger

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When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over

August 13, 2012
By Jim Karger

“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.

And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”

This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.

Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.

If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.

The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.

And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.

Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.

According to Public Intelligence:

“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”

And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.

And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.

That is your choice… for the moment.

[Tallguy]

The first town that is subject to the raids looking for long arms — as soon as word gets out — all other weapons ‘disappear’. What are they going to do? Arrest those claiming that the weapons were lost or stolen for “failure to report”? LOL! Sure!

[bgill]

Guns? I’m scared of those things and you won’t find any in this house, no sir, Mr. Officer, sir. Don’t you know guns kill people?!?

[Travis McGee]

What an idjit, practically putting his address out on the internet.

I wonder how many Mexican kidnap gangs are doing recon on his kids getting dropped off at private school today?

[Tallguy]

WELL, you know obammy and holder won’t start disarming Watts, South Chicago, Liberty City first now don’t ya? 82nd Airbourne will have quite a time doing that.

What Homeland Defense had better realize is that if they seriously go after the "Right-Wing" groups that their Lefty buddies are going to take advantage of the situation. The lid will blow off in the cities. Big Sis won't have the luxury of "picking-off" one group at a time.

[P.O.E.]

They wouldn’t have to join and train with the official US military. They could just be riled up, given guns, rations, and a ride to wherever they were needed.

[Big_Harry]

"We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn"

That kind of brings it all home...

I wonder how many blow-hards sat around in the days before Stalin rounded all of them up and bragged about what they would do if the government dared to come into their homes.

[Covenantor]

The author presumes one hundred percent participation of local, city, county, and state LEOs in this effort. A class that since the Clinton era has been carefully culled to produce the maximum number of the politically correct supervised by affirmative action hires. All too many major cities and their suburbs have this command structure which has produced environments where the common officer is more concerned with coming home safe every night and protecting his pension. Add the union overlay to the PC administration and the result is a far less cohesive force than the author imagines.

He also imagines platoons of armored cars and ARCs rumbling down the streets. Given budget constraints the various police forces are hard pressed to keep even one such vehicle in a ready state. Rather they are treated as precious jewels, trotted out for photo ops and video footage at high profile stand offs. The same budget constraints limit establishing effective doctrine and training with regard to countering guerrilla tactics.

It's anybody's guess as too how many of these LEO simply walk off as in New Orleans, how many join in opposing confiscation efforts, and how many remain in place as moles. But if such orders truly come to pass it would come as no surprise that an unusually large number of police brass are involved in fatal auto accidents or "domestic tragedies" in the first few weeks.

Finally, there are enough of these type of pistoleros that present a challenge to the author's arguement.

Semi-mobile supply centers for comms gear, colorful patches, badgers, paperwork, spares, vehicles, etc, and if you're really lucky a source of hi-carb hi-sugar snacks.

[Mich Patriot]

While I’m sure that is true, how would someone go about obtaining one or two?

[P.O.E.]

No US president would conjure up a straw-boogy-man, would they? I can’t imagine a sitting president demonizing, say, the rich, or white hispanics, or....

[Eye of Unk]

In Alaska our AK Guard would most likely go door to door making sure each household had enough ammunition and its own weapon for a States Defense program.

No seriously I am not being funny, in Alaska we will tell the Feds to go piss up a rope, if they want to take the guns away from Alaska it would be easier to bribe God to have him send a major earthquake instead.

[cableguymn]

But what happens to those drones when they get jammed or the data-link gets hacked?
..or they fly into nets floated by helium balloons, get shot down by a .50 out of someones rooftop, hit with a homemade RPG, get blinded, etc. There are some options..

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If Iran brought one down. So can we. Even if it’s a bush pilot running it down and shooting it while it’s in flight. We *will* find a a way.

[jim_trent]

You have never filled out a 4473 form?

[Durus]

It's funny how many people think that we could never win a revolutionary war against a powerful military...I mean that has never happened before or anything. Somehow some of these same people, without even a passing nod at the obvious cognitive dissonance, tells us how we could have never won in Vietnam and we can't win now in Afghanistan.

How come these grubby uneducated peasants can beat our military with all of their super duper weapons (they didn't build those btw), but one of the most armed and best trained populaces in the world couldn't do the same? Are we supposed to believe that?

This isn't Nazi Germany. This isn't communist Russia or communist China. Americans were born of rebellion, we are armed to the teeth, and we aren't stupid enough to fall for the false dichotomy of "suicide by cop" or "peacefully turn them in".

[MrB]

But what about anonymous sales?

“I know I bought that rifle new, but I sold it a few years ago to some guy from the other side of the state. Don’t recall his name...”

[Theophilus]

Karger sure is a beam of sunshine.

Karger is a bater, no I mean baiter...

...well he's probably both.

[EdReform]

I am Jack Hinson

[BO Stinkss]

True patriots have always stood against tyranny. Freedom ain't free.

[MrB]

There’s the option of giving them the cheap ones, hiding the good ones, and knowing that “it’s on”. Then organize and engage on our terms instead of theirs.

[mkjessup]

You really think US Marines will fire on US Citizens defending their Constitutional Rights?
I would be more worried about the person who GAVE that order to the Marines.
Fragging and ADs happen ALL the time..

I'm waiting for the breathless news reports 'breaking' on CNN and the rest of their alphabet soup network-brethren announcing that there has been a 'fragging' at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Oh just to qualify, that would be a 'tragedy', wouldn't it?

[ROCKLOBSTER]

So, what keeps that troops that won’t fire on US civilians from shooting the troops that will?