Posted on 07/21/2012 7:23:50 AM PDT by Colofornian
Say what you will, Mormons make great neighbors!
Thank you so much Jean for ignoring the point of the thread and having no compassion for the victims.
It is sad you apparently do not care about mormons or others being abused but you do care it seems a great deal about who posts what and subjects you are offended by.
I made the mistake of stumbling into two of these threads. I was able to get the mods to delete my posts to the one thread, but forgot this one, so I’m getting sucked back in by the haters.
It’s best to ignore them.
Well, you are now attacking freepers, and elsewhere you suggested that they were “defending” rapists.
And as a practical matter, it makes NO difference to the victims of this horrific crime whether people discussing it here state some boilerplate sympathy for the victims. This is a conservative web site to discuss issues and try to get conservatives elected and advance conservative principles.
It’s not a place for people to worry about political correctness. Sorry if we don’t argue points the way YOU want, but that’s the way it is.
Well, some of my Mormon extended family makes for fine relatives...but not sure how relevant to thread...If you ask these four-plus Mormon victims of sexual violence, some Mormon men -- at least this one -- make themself {themselves} to be the "date" from hell.
I didn't complain, I explained why someone might react the way they did to the post. Explaining is not complaining -- if I didn't think the thread belonged, I'd hit abuse and let the moderators decide.
I ignore the threads about catholic abuse -- heck, I ignore religion threads here as much as possible, since they became open grounds for hatred and division. SOmeone thinks they are doing the Lord's work, and who am I to judge, but I don't see it, I find it offensive and disturbing, but while it seems to be allowed to take potshots at people now, I'd rather not get into these arguments, so I just want to stay away.
I sometimes get tricked because the threads are so clearly political that I miss that people are playing the "religion" game.
You know, lurkers to a given Web site discussion DO nab a good glimpse of priorities/focus of posters. I'm not talking about every single post -- but a sense of the corporate/collective "sense" of what's being emoted.
Are they provoked about a criminal?
Are they moved with compassion for victims?
Are they wanting to protect the GoP reputation with the oft-knee jerk reaction of blaming the liberal media -- or, the other convenient trick, just blaming the messenger -- the person who posted it?
Actually, that's what Svcw addressed in post#38 to Jean S: ...you seem to be only focused on the poster not the victims who apparently are mostly mormons. Why is that
What we've seen in this "microcosm" of thread dynamics of this sort is several posters (posts 2-->23) attempted to blame "liberal" Mormon journalists! (That was a rather strange position to find myself in...Me defending the conservative components of Lds journalists/editors @ KSL/Deseret News!)
When that tactic didn't work, posters took to attacking me -- many for simply posting this thread. There were 10 such posts between from posts #17 --> 44.
You can review 21 of these categorized comments in the chart below...
[I subtracted my comments, the James Holmes unrelated comments (#7, #34), and the tactical questions by svcw and CharlesWayneCT (#37, 38, 46)]... Hence, although I agree in part re: Chuck's reference to a "boilerplate" re: comments...or "political correctness" not being honored...this thread has made for a "good microcosm" of the dynamics of the "turf" posters felt the need to either protect -- or attack.
We actually see this same pattern expanded and exercised DAILY on FR on MANY threads!
| Posts attempting to convince others that Lds church owned KSL/Deseret News presented 'liberal' slant | Posts focusing on Defending GoP reputation | Posts focusing on Colofornian -- primarily for posting this thread | Posts focusing on MormonISM | Posts focusing on Romney | Posts focusing with perp-specific comments | Posts focusing on victims | |
| 21 overall Posts reviewed: # of sub-topics covered in these posts: | 9 (43%) | 9 (43%) | 10 (48%) | 4 (19%) | 1 (5%) | 1 (5%) | 1 (5%) |
| Which post #s tallied above? | 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 12, 16, 21, 22 | 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 16, 21, 22, 23 | 17, 19, 22, 23, 26, 27, 28, 29, 35, 44 | 11, 18, 19, 41 | 19 | 21 | 3 |
This chart also readily addresses two questions Jean S asked in post #33: What in the heck are you talking about? perp advocacy? That comment makes no sense.
* When you see that there were 10 negative comments made about the thread poster -- and only one negative comment specifically made about the perp (Tammy8 in post #21), that is by sheer vacuum "perp advocacy." That is outright failure to condemn rape...
...and instead winds up turning ALL negative attention from the perp to the thread poster who shines a light on the perp (commonly known as "shooting the messenger.")
Instead of distancing themselves from an immoral GoP activist racist, they instead prefer to distance themselves morally from the thread poster.
Very interesting group psychology exercised here.
Likewise...
* When there is only a terse six-word focus on the victims (by Rktman) very early in the thread -- and only prompted by my comment in post #1 -- whereas nine attempts to protect the GoP by blaming the source (KSL/DesNews)...
...THAT is turning the attention from the victims to placing the blame on the media source that cast its light on this GoP activist! (also commonly known as "shooting the messenger")
LURKERS:
Want a compassionate unbiased conservatism that won't "knee-jerk" in putting political reputations above justice; above compassion and concern for the victims? (Well, it's getting MUCH harder to find in the GoP representation we're seeing on FR!!!)
A chart?
You have lost your mind.
Truly .
Get help for your hate.
You damage the site.
My first post made no comment about the thread poster, just my opinion about the general religion thread vs this particular thread.
I attacked you in another post, because you suggested that a freeper was sympathising with rapists. I’ve seen comments like that from time to time, but not on this thread — in context, the argument was simply an attempt to make people address the issue the way you wanted, by slandering them.
If this was news-activism, I’d discuss more why people might react negatively to the post; since it is a religion thread, I’ll let them do so if they wish.
I would say that, having done so much of the research, and having found that most of the thread posters reacted quite negatively to the thread, rather than as you wanted them to react, you might want to take that into account in your future postings, if you are bothered by what other freepers think about what you are posting.
I’m not saying you should care what other people think, just that you appear to be quite concerned about it, and if you are, maybe you should take a lesson by the harsh negative reaction you get to some of your posts.
I don’t think the mormon faith is a christian faith. As such, from a religious perspective, i see the danger in the appeal of such a religion to misguide people from the truth. As a presbyterian, I feel God has already chosen whom he will chose, so I fear more for my relationship with God than I do that one who would be saved might miss out because some non-christian faith might do too good a job.
Clearly others feel it is important to create a harshly negative opinion of this particular religion, and feel compelled to use any means necessary.
But this being a conservative site, and knowing that there are many good conservatives who vote for our cause, and are socially and politically part of the solution, who are followers of religions other than the true faith, I don’t feel the same compulsion to spend energy here attacking someone’s religion.
But some do, and I really need to remember to just ignore the hate-threads.
Not necessary to acknowledge a mistake the mormonism defenders are not reading your posts anyway.
What I find fascinating is that until a certain person became the possible nominee for the GOPe they cared not a whit about your threads exposing mormonism.
Amen
Charles, #1 most of what I post are articles from Mormon sources; and those who are provoked are the people who are generally fine & dandy (to a certain degree) with Mormonism. (That's what makes this all so ironic)
#2...99% of the articles I post aren't written by me.
#3...People can react negatively all they want to the articles; it's when they engage in ad hominens that they set a bad tone for the world to see.
#4...Truth isn't subject to a provocation vote. (Otherwise, Jesus wouldn't have spoken so negatively of the legalists of that time -- the Pharisees)
As I said, you should post what you want; I didn’t say you wrote what you post, but you do choose what you post. I could find lots of article to post that would NOT be my words, but would get lots of conservatives mad.
Sometimes people try to avoid angering others by posting “barf alert” on their posts, to indicate a disagreement with the premise of an article; otherwise, the tendency is to believe the posters are in agreement with the excerpt of an article. (On the other hand, I never use parenthetical title modifiers, and trust that freepers will understand that what I post is someone else’s writing, and I will express my own opinion in the body of the thread).
Nice thing about a public forum, is everybody has a chance to give their own reactions to an article. In fact, I signed up for FR precisely to see how other conservatives were dealing with the news of the day. I had just started writing opinion columns for a local newspaper, and wanted to see what arguments worked, and which fell flat. It was a tremendous resource.
It is ironic that a poster who expresses complete disdain for mormons appeals to their authority when others attack mormon writers. On the merits, you have a valid point, except that Mormons are not monolithic, (see Harry Reid), and newspapers and the journolist profession is a haven for liberals, so it is not at all surprising that even a mormon-run newspaper would attract the most liberal of the faith, and would unfairly attack republicans.
Maybe if you go back and read the comments, you’ll find that the harsh negative reaction you perceive was for the authors falsely smearing the GOP for something they didn’t do and had no control over. In a conservative forum, you should expect that to be a primary focus, even if what you wanted was to attack the mormon faith and to get a chance to attack fellow freepers for not showing “sufficient deference” to the victims of some crime (which, sorry to say, sound so much like what liberals do whenever there is some tragedy, attack conservatives for not respecting victims, while the liberals use the same tragedy to score political points.
In this case, while you ask what you seem to treat as mormon sympathisers to “have respect” for the victims, and to think of them first, you are using their tragedy NOT to evoke sympathy and prayers for them, but to attack the mormon faith and politicians who hold to that faith — in other words, you attack other freepers for disliking a thread where you exploit rape victims to score your political and religious points.
I object to that when it’s the anti-Catholic posters using individual bad acts by priests to trash their faith. It’s not surprising that some react negatively to your exploitation here.
His dating profile name “Odds are good, but the goods are odd” is a fairly common saying in AA/NA circles. It refers to a practice known as “13th Stepping” - when a longtime member tries to have sex with a newcomer. I wonder if he also used these meetings as hunting grounds. He wouldn’t be the first.
You take a lot of grief here, Colo, but I appreciate your posts.
Exactly.
A while back, a couple of home schooled kids killed a girls parents and ran. The MSM had "Home schoolers" the most important part of the story.
I'm still waiting for them to say "Government schooled shooter kills up to 13 in movie theater. "
(I know - it's not going to happen. I'd be waiting forever.)
And still we have no mention of obomba’s homosexual encounters with larry sinclair or the fact that from obomba’s own mouth he has committed several felonies.
What bothers me is the fact that no one noticed anything weird about the guy. People don't pay as much attention to their instincts these days as they should - especially now that we live in a world of "Anything that feels good - do it" political correctness. New monsters are being created every day.
Absolutely correct, and prominent placement of "GOP" in the head makes the dem operatives' Google searches easier.
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