Fast, Furious, and Inept

Boston Herald ^ | Thursday, June 21, 2012 | By Boston Herald Editorial Staff

[saywhatagain]

That, it seems, is now at the heart of the dispute even as Democratic members of the House Oversight Committee forget their pledge to the Terry family to “not rest” until they get to the bottom of how our own government could be so incredibly stupid as to supply Mexican drug cartels with thousands of state-of-the-art weapons.

[RitaOK]

It was not “incredibly stupid” as the story reports, it was an agenda, one that would track and report cartel murders with our ATF weapons, in order to create a false and biased narrative for media to hit gun rights.

300 Mexicans died for that ATF agenda. Just to advance opposition to gun rights.

Brian Terry was collateral damage.

This ranks right up there with Obama’s reported obsession with drone strikes on foreign soil and drone surveillance at home. Whatever it takes to make a score for tyranny.

[tsowellfan]

Everything will be shredded before Boehner gets up and does anything.

[Safetgiver]

But consider more than half the populace has never heard of Fast and Furious....You forgot “so-called Fast & Furious”. You know, like the ‘so-called Operation Overlord’ in WWII?

[Royal Wulff]

The second agent, Zapata, whom no one ever talks about, was likely assassinated. He knew too much.

[MichaelP]

The program wasn’t inept..the cover up was inept. The program was designed to cause additional restrictions of fire arm sales in the US by flooding Mexico with weapons.

It seems more and more likely that this is true. Since the White House is so leaky, it would be good to see a deep throat within the AG/ATF enlighten us...

Mike

[camle]

i don’t buy the profferred thoery about why this happenned. it seems far more likely that someone in the drug cartels bought someone in justice, and arranged for them to allow that cartel assecc to american guns.

someone high up.

Corruption makes more sense than the gun control argument.

[Caipirabob]

I'm not fond of the United Nations, but, were I the Terry family I'd tell Holder if he didn't cooperate with the investigation I would request the UN investigate this. This, IMHO, is a human rights violation. The United States has violated international laws and gotten hundreds of Mexicans killed.

The UN is actively engaged in several programs to disarm Americans and deprive citizens of their God given rights. You wouldn't get the results you're hoping for from this. The UN is a domestic enemy.

[RummyChick]

http://www.narconews.com/Issue49/article2989.html

A plane used in CIA renditions didn’t just happen by accident to get in the hands of the F&F Furious Sinaloa Drug Cartel - with 4 tons of cocaine on it.

Btw, most people don’t know this:

“He adds that the CIA has agents operating inside many federal law enforcement agencies utilizing what is known as an “official cover.”
“From Valentine’s story:

By 1977, some 125 “former” CIA officers had been infiltrated into the DEA at every level of the organization, especially in intelligence units, making everything possible— from black market arms exchanges, to negotiations with terrorists, to political assassination. It also put the CIA in total control of targeting.

Leutrell Osborne, a former CIA case officer, told Narco News essentially the same thing when he conveyed his concern about the merging of spook and law enforcement agendas.

“Law enforcement and intelligence operations have become one and the same,” Osborne says. “We as citizens are all affected by this because it has a major impact on civil and human rights.”

All in the name of fighting drugs.....

http://www.madcowprod.com/10092007.html

Was F&F sloppy tradecraft????? You decide.

[mo]

IMHO...F&F was a Federal narco running op that blew up and they’ve tried to morph it into “gunwalking” which seems, IMHO, scarcely believable....in order to contain the blowback...

[tacticalogic]

Corruption makes more sense than the gun control argument.

I've read reports the drug cartels control the "coyotes" who help illegals get across the border. Maybe they made a deal - get us the guns, and we'll import you a whole bunch of potential votes.

[dead]

Yes, a man is dead and serious laws were broken...

Hundreds of people were gunned down and slaughtered.

I think our focus on the one or two Americans is understandable, but the hundreds of Mexicans killed also demand justice.

They died so a leftwing government in another country could further restrict the civil rights of their citizens. And those citizens are considering reelecting that government, rather than imprisoning them!

[RummyChick]

One of my favorite quotes in all of this is from Mike Levine, former DEA agent:

“If I were a criminal profiler, it wouldn’t take much to identify a CIA pattern here [with Fast and Furious]: A wacko, barroom commando, illegal operation that makes no sense whatsoever, run outside the control of law enforcement.””

Meanwhile, I ran into this story about CIA spies that were caught in Iran and Lebanon. Sloppy tradecraft or a traitor....

http://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-cia-spies-caught-fear-execution-middle-east-233819159.html

I fear for the damage that Obama is about to do after he is voted out.

It is possible that Obama was intentionally insulated from the F&F disaster but is using EP to protect Jarrett.

However, I hope the Coverup takes him down.

[camle]

you know that riuns my day to find out this...

[camle]

cash is more direct, more trustworthy, and easier to conceal..

[Joe Brower]

FReeper dead wrote:
"They died so a leftwing government in another country could further restrict the civil rights of their citizens."

You know, that touches on one aspect of this enterprise that I've seen only mentioned in passing, if at all: What are the ramifications of this conspiracy in terms of international law? Normally, arming opponents of a lawfully-elected government of a foreign sovereign nation is considered an act of war.

Note I'm not a lawyer, international or otherwise, nor could anyone pay me enough to make be become one. $:-)

[Mountain Mary]

Two words: Eighteen minutes.

That’s the amount of time that was erased from the Watergate tapes.

What makes anyone think that a corrupt admin. that found an “expert” to undetectably doctor BO’s birth certificate isn’t scrambling to do same with the F and F documents at this very moment? Or plan B: just shred..

My son’s friend dropped out of college one semester and managed to forge a grade summary at the end of the year complete with professors comments about what a great student he was....which he proceeded to hand over to his beaming parents.
Hmmmmmm...

[RummyChick]

The average American citizen does not really know what goes on in the upper eschelons of our government

Frankly, IMO, they are better off not knowing the antics of some of these organizations.

The reason there are so many people who claim “kooky CIA theory” “tin foil” etc. etc. etc...is because they don’t know what goes on and it does seem like kooky antics to the average citizen.

There is a poster on this site that tried to claim to me that it was kooky to think they CIA armed Sinaloa through F&F because they were arming the enemy of the Sinaloas...but couldn’t tell me how a CIA rendition plane got into the hands of the F&F Sinaloas. How does that happen without the approval of the CIA since a known CIA/FBI/DEA asset was involved in the selling/purchasing of that plane. The changing of the hands of that plane happened twice several weeks before it crashed. It had to crash because someone in Mexico wouldn’t let it land. That someone ended up dead

Since I believe without a doubt that the CIA was mixed up F&F..I am waiting to see just how far this will go.

I will be shocked if the true details of this ever come out.

[philman_36]

I'll do it. Here ya go...

Brian Terry's Mother to Holder: You're 'A Joke' And A 'Coward'

“THIS IS FOR YOU SON,” Mrs. Terry posted on Facebook at about 3:30 p.m. “Mr. Holder. How come you can never say my sons name. You never have. All i ever hear you say is ‘i didnt find out or I cant say’ Im actually tired of hearing your double talk in answering questions. What a joke you are. You know my son was a real AMERICAN, a WARRIOR, and a HERO, who was also protecting COWARD POLITICANS like you.”

[saywhatagain]

Thank you for sharing.

The more I read and observe, the more I believe once again what we have here amongst the American people is a failur of "common sense"

Maybe its time for many to stop guessing, speculating and assuming. Energy better spent on uncovering the facts. Speculation only adds to the noise and confusion.

But certainly Brian Terry's mother has it correct about Eric Holder. He is a coward and is not interested in sharing with the American people the TRUTH.

[mvpel]

http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/index.php?topic=61113.0

First, the Arms Export Control Act, 22 USC §2778.. It authorizes the President to define defense articles and regulate their export. In so doing, he must consider the possibility that export could “support international terrorism, increase the possibility of outbreak or escalation of conflict...”

Those defense articles may not be exported without a permit, issued by the Secretary of State ( Department of State guidelines here), “except that no license shall be required for exports or imports made by or for an agency of the United States Government
(A) for official use by a department or agency of the United States Government, or

(B) for carrying out any foreign assistance or sales program authorized by law and subject to the control of the President by other means.”