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Romney’s conversion on abortion - Is it authentic?
LifeSite News ^ | June 18, 2012 | Dr. Jack Willke

Posted on 06/20/2012 7:41:28 AM PDT by hocndoc

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To: SoCalTransplant; fieldmarshaldj
As to your last paragraph, we are called to God's children and servants not God's oddsmakers or bookies. No pro-lifer can vote for either of these monsters.

Just wait until Myth appoints Margaret Sanger's feminazi great grand daughter to SCOTUS and then Myth goes on autobabble as to how terribly disappointed he is in her SCOTUS voting record (this is not an actual person but is a good approximation of what appeals to Myth).

The candidates are Caligula and Diocletian. Caligula is known to be a rank lunatic and Diocletian is a pious pagan and Roman traditionalist (and total power freak who executes people for violating price control laws as well as for being Christians). Whom to choose? Whom to choose? How about neither? BTW, the pious megalomaniac Diocletian killed a hell of a lot more Christians before resigning in a huff because no matter how many he killed, the people would STILL not obey him. Constantine won the war of succession while still a pagan in the Battle at the Milvian Bridge and, converted by a vision of the Cross with the words In Hoc Signo Vinces (in this sign, you will conquer) made Christianity the religion of the Empire as Diocletian went off to Aquila to tend his roses.

Not Caligula. Not Diocletian. Not Obozo. Not Romney.

61 posted on 06/20/2012 9:48:46 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: hocndoc
Somehow I get the impression that Myth wasn't the "first choice" of anyone who now claims to support him lest the boogieman get us if we don't. I'm waiting for a press conference at which Anne Romney tells us that Myth wasn't her first choice but now we just gotta vote for him.

Does anyone actually believe that their support for Myth Romney is sanitized in the slightest by the ritual incantation that Myth was not their first choice? Face it. Myth's sycophants are well aware of how much conservatives despise him and they invoke the ritual incantation that he wasn't their first choice to establish solidarity with actual conservatives to gull the more gullible among them into a false sense of security.

Remember now: The boogieman'll getcha if ya don't watch out!!!

62 posted on 06/20/2012 10:00:48 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk
Dare I suggest that we, as pro-lifers, withhold our votes from Obozo AND from Myth Romney?

Yes, you may, and I will support you in that, given that both Obama and Romney subscribe to the doctrine of murder of the unborn.

For the life of me, I can't comprehend how any so-called conservative can throw away their sacred principles to vote for either of these men. Romney doesn't deserve our support, because he's in foursquare agreement with nearly every plank of leftist ideology - as evidenced by his entire record in politics.

If there is such a thing as sin, then one definition is giving ones support to a person who has violated everything that one has recognized as abominable and destructive to life and goodness. Mitt Romney has done these very things throughout his political career.

How can this possibly be reconciled through logic or reason? I posit that there's no way that it can. Not in any universe, or earthly plain. You either believe in something, or you don't. It's that simple.

63 posted on 06/20/2012 10:18:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I think this is a sad mischaracterization of the purpose that general elections with limited viable competition serve. It isn’t an American Idol contest for alabaster sainthood.

I am not Catholic, but this is a place where I’m seeing conservative Catholic pundits make sense: Limit evil in whatever way possible.


64 posted on 06/20/2012 10:22:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Windflier

And Wind, it seems to me, IMHO, that while Barack Obama is making an ever-fresh effort to hijack your race to ends that are gross obscenities, which includes getting its rubber stamp for the Democrat idea of what should be done with abortion, Mitt Romney isn’t. It would be best if Mitt Romney took a firm stand that abortion is a plague that needs to be brought to an end in America, let alone starved of public funded. And he might yet. We haven’t seen the last pastry out of his waffle iron yet. I’d say please try to keep your powder dry and your options open. Your November ballot is not asking who you think is a saint. It is asking whether the guard should change.


65 posted on 06/20/2012 11:08:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: BlackElk

I’m waiting for a press conference at which Anne Romney tells us that Myth wasn’t her first choice but now we just gotta vote for him.
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He wasnt...

She got engaged to another guy while he was vacationing in luxury in Paris, France and wrote him a Dear John letter...

(He went to France to dodge the draft...poor boys could only afford Canada)

For all his breaking the mormon summer camp rules and continually calling her and begging her to wait she wanted someone else...

Wee Willie Mitty had to call Big Daddy George and beg him to carroll her back to the Romney plantation...

George made her a better deal by making the other guy drop out of the race I guess...

Willard ended up the last man available...

Poor Willie Mitty...

always a bridesmaid...never a bride...

Unless youre The Slasher Bridesmaid from MASS...


66 posted on 06/21/2012 4:49:55 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: BlackElk

I’m waiting for a press conference at which Anne Romney tells us that Myth wasn’t her first choice but now we just gotta vote for him.
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He wasnt...

She got engaged to another guy while he was vacationing in luxury in Paris, France and wrote him a Dear John letter...

(He went to France to dodge the draft...poor boys could only afford Canada)

For all his breaking the mormon summer camp rules and continually calling her and begging her to wait she wanted someone else...

Wee Willie Mitty had to call Big Daddy George and beg him to carroll her back to the Romney plantation...

George made her a better deal by making the other guy drop out of the race I guess...

Willard ended up the last man available...

Poor Willie Mitty...

always a bridesmaid...never a bride...

Unless youre The Slasher Bridesmaid from MASS...


67 posted on 06/21/2012 4:50:12 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: hocndoc; EternalVigilance; BlackElk
So you don’t trust Dr Willke?

“Life Issues Institute and I are confident that Governor Romney’s conversion is real, heartfelt and authentic.”

I trust that they were duped by Romney.

Romney is a gifted political pragmatist, he's cut from the same cloth as Bill Clinton, his only compass is expediency and he is well versed in convincing people that he's on their side.

68 posted on 06/21/2012 5:16:49 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: FewsOrange
Mitt Romney advocated a pro choice position while running in liberal Massachusetts and a pro life position which running in the Republican primary. I don’t believe any of those men had strong feelings either way, they simply adopted the position the would confer the most political advantage to them.

Romney has been very adamant that his pro-abortion views come from the heart, and that he committed to abortion as a young man in 1963 along with the rest of his family, after the (according to him) needless death of a loved one because abortion wasn't legal. Romney has never been more convincing or sincere than when he has explained the depth of his commitment to abortion. Romney abandoned the GOP because of Reagan, and at the height of the abortion wars supported moderate candidates until he eventually drifted into supporting solely democrats.

Romney was very deeply and passionately, and convincingly pro-abortion, more so than almost any republican we can name , he was not merely indifferent to it.

69 posted on 06/21/2012 1:56:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I’d say please try to keep your powder dry and your options open. Your November ballot is not asking who you think is a saint. It is asking whether the guard should change.

I understand. I want a change of the guard in the White House as bad as anyone, but substituting Romney for Obama accomplishes little to nothing, in my opinion. They're two peas in a pod, as far as I'm concerned.

The man has never been one of us, and at this late date, he never will be. If he'd taken a hard right turn after losing the 2008 primary to McNuts, I might be more open to trusting him now, but look what happened. The Tea Party was born, and Mitt never broke bread with us. Not once.

Now he needs the patriotic right to put him over the top, and because we're in a pickle with the alternative, many conservatives are kicking at Lucy's football AGAIN. How many times do we have to land on our backs with a thud, before we finally wise up to the GOPe's game?

I, for one, am sick to death of taking them to the party, just to be dumped for the skanky leftist, batting her eyelashes at them.

70 posted on 06/21/2012 5:02:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I think this is a sad mischaracterization of the purpose that general elections with limited viable competition serve. It isn’t an American Idol contest for alabaster sainthood.

No, it isn't, but at the very least, we should expect (and demand) that our nominee has a demonstrated track record of supporting at least some of our values.

For the life of me, I can't find anything in Mitt Romney's record to indicate that he's ever shared any beliefs or convictions with center-right Americans, let alone, solid conservatives.

On the other hand, if I were a liberal Democrat, I'd find quite a bit to like about his record, and might even cross the aisle to vote for him.

71 posted on 06/21/2012 5:11:37 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Maybe Barack is a pea and so is Mitt, but they aren’t even out of the same garden let alone pod. Obama was cynically raised up by others as a Marxist, polarized and polarizing class warrior. Mitt, bless his silver spoon and his jillions of dollars, is a wishy washy pandering wimp who never saw much of a challenge in the real world except for doing pretty fair with Bain’s investments. There is yet hope for Mitt’s politics. There isn’t any hope for Barack’s.


72 posted on 06/21/2012 6:46:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: hocndoc

Romney authentic?

How many times has he flip-flopped on this issue alone?


73 posted on 06/21/2012 6:56:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: hocndoc
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74 posted on 06/21/2012 6:59:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Mitt, bless his silver spoon and his jillions of dollars, is a wishy washy pandering wimp who never saw much of a challenge in the real world except for doing pretty fair with Bain’s investments. There is yet hope for Mitt’s politics.

Just what is in Mitt's life history or governing record that gives you that glimmer of confidence? I've looked, and haven't found a thing pin that sort of hope on.

75 posted on 06/21/2012 7:07:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Mitt isn’t really rooted in anything, but looks for whatever gets him cheers at the moment, in the situation. In Massachusetts that was pandering to liberals. Obama’s rooted, alright... firmly in Marxism.


76 posted on 06/21/2012 8:34:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: BlackElk

I dont know if your comparison to Caligula and Diocletian are really fair or relevant to the choice we have this election year, but if you see Romney as comparable to one of those guys then I wont belabor the point. As I’ve held previously, I’m not someone who is going to tell you how bad you are if you dont vote for Romney, we all have to sleep at night and if you cant vote for either in good conscience, I can respect that.

Constantine is an interesting comparison though. I wonder if when he came back and said that he had converted, if anyone scoffed and looked at his (accurate) history as a pagan, and said, no way. I dont believe it. And post conversion, he did some good things and some bad things. I am a Christian too, and I would hope that whoever you vote for, you will pray for whoever wins, be it Romney or Obama. The lesson of Constantine is that no one is beyond the power of God, and whoever wins, I will pray that God puts a “Daniel” in his ear to persuade him to do right. Remember that the Apostle Paul spent his life before conversion killing Christians.

The one thing I will absolutely disagree with you on though, is your statement that “No pro-lifer can vote for either of these “monsters” (Romney or Obama)”. Many pro-lifers, myself included, will vote for Romney. I can respect you speaking for yourself, and doubtless there are many others that would agree....but I can’t really let you speak for me. Men of good will can disagree, and just as I wont engage in the nonsense of saying that if you wont vote for Romney you are a “closet Obama supporter”, I equally can’t accept a blanket declaration that all true pro-lifers cant vote for either.

One of my favorite sayings is “our greatest hopes or worst fears are seldom realized”. This is how I think a Romney Administration would end up being. Would he end up being the 2nd coming of Ronald Reagan?... almost certainly not. But I also dont think he’d end up being the complete and total villian that some fear he will be either. But after its all over, I hope we all remember we’re all on the same and all want the same things...and most importantly, put our ultimate trust in the same place.


77 posted on 06/21/2012 8:51:36 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Honey badger's level of concern is negligible.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Mitt isn’t really rooted in anything, but looks for whatever gets him cheers at the moment, in the situation. In Massachusetts that was pandering to liberals.

Red, I can feel you trying to downplay Romney's demonstrated, documented, left-liberal track record in life and politics. I don't know whether you're trying to convince me that 'maybe he's not so bad', or whether you're trying to convince yourself that you really won't be selling out everything you believe in, to give this guy your vote.

If Mitt was merely pandering to liberals while he was Governor of Massachusetts, the record would show that he threw them the occasional bone when he needed their help on something. That's not what his record shows at all. It's an unbroken string of pure statist, left-liberal governance, from start to finish.

He's a lib's lib, my friend. I'm a conservative, and I don't vote for libs under any banner. Everyone's got to do what they've got to do in this election. For myself, I'll be concentrating on the down ticket races and voting ABOorR for president.

78 posted on 06/21/2012 9:19:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Massachusetts wanted Romney as a liberal who could save them a little money compared to Democrats. Romney ran and delivered on that platform. And he still got ousted in favor of a more radical liberal.

We obviously disagree on how flexible we believe Mitt Romney is likely to be.

Obama can’t be accused of a lot of flip flops in Washington, that’s for sure.


79 posted on 06/21/2012 9:42:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: hocndoc

Romney believes in nothing more than his belief that he wants to be president. Everything else remains negotiable.


80 posted on 06/21/2012 9:51:23 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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