Posted on 06/20/2012 7:41:28 AM PDT by hocndoc
Read the article. Dr. Willke outlines a change and the reason for the change in 2004/5. Romney has told the same story many times.
These quotes aren’t on chronological order, but they’re dated:
http://www.ontheissues.org/News_Stem_Cells.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt_Romney_Abortion.htm
This is not 1980 or 1970. This is not 1994. This is not 2002. Why ignore Dr. Willke?
That was then, this is now.
If you’re unable to read the article, it outlines the change after conversations with two stem cell/cloning experts in 2005, one pro-life and one not. He realized that the embryo is a living human being and that scientifically he could only believe that life begins at fertilization.
I dont know if Romney’s conversion is legit or not. He could have really had a change of heart, which would be great. He could be just moving to the pro life side to get elected, which means he’ll probably stay there throughout a first term if that was the case). Or he could be a complete and total liar, and will be just as pro choice as he has always been from the second he takes the oath, and preform the proceedure himself in the west wing on alternate Tuesdays.
One thing I am 100% sure of is Obama’s position on abortion is, and that it hasn’t changed. He is for free and total legalized abortion, regardless of how the woman got pregnant, how far she is into the pregnancy, the age of the woman/girl involved. Obama is for abortion on demand. Period. And he isn’t denying any of it. In fact, he’d wear it as a badge of honor if you asked him.
I can understand being skeptical of Romney. I sure am. I dont know the Dr’s in the article (a little before my time). I sure want a president that is against abortion except in extreme cases (rape, life of mother, etc...). But I just dont see how this issue would make up anyone’s mind to vote against Romney, considering who his opponent is.
If you are one of the folks that in good conscience cant vote for either overall, then as I’ve said before, while I dont agree with you, I understand and respect your right to that position. But if you’re someone for whom abortion is issue #1, then this seems to be a choice between a chance (albeit slight) and no chance.
On the Romney campaign site, to this day, his own words prove that he is not in any true sense pro-life.
Pro-life means that you stand in agreement with the self-evident truths of the Declaration of Independence, that our individual right to life comes from God, not from any man, and that that sacred right is therefore unalienable.
Romney’s default position, as stated currently, is that whether or not to kill babies is up to the courts. In other words, the practical outcome of his default position is abortion on demand. He calls that “law,” just like he has since he tried to run to the left of Teddy Kennedy for the U.S. Senate in the early nineties. No flip-flopping on this core position for him, no-sir-ee. He is a completely unreconstructed judicial supremacist, in other words anti-republican.
His secondary position is that whether or not to kill babies should have been left up to a majority vote of the people. That is by definition a pro-choice democrat position. One that denies the self-evident truths of the founding of this free republic.
His last and most ridiculous position is a Stephen A. Douglas democrat position if there ever was one, which is that it should be left up to the states whether or not to butcher helpless, defenseless little boys and girls.
Of course the whole package is wrapped up in a thin tissue of pro-life sounding lies, but that is, at its core, where he says he stands, right now.
Sure, because you “know” Governor Romney. 18 years, wasn’t it?
Most prolife people know Dr Wllke by the results of his work and I was privileged to spend a day with Dr Hurlbut when he testified on cloning and stem cell research in Austin. in addition, I got to watch two days of the President’s Bioethics Council in ‘04. These men are trustworthy.
I think most of Romney’s fans know that Romney is not pro-life. Some of his fans like him, anyway. Some of his fans favor abortion. But, I think they all know that his recent pro-life statements are made solely for political purposes.
You, on the other hand, are completely trustworthy and would apologize immediately if you found out your information was false, right?
How are “Beverly” and “ Davida,” BTW?
So you don’t trust Dr Willke?
“Life Issues Institute and I are confident that Governor Romney’s conversion is real, heartfelt and authentic. ”
Do you ever acknowledge when you’ve lost an argument ? Either you’re denying you’ve been had by a world-class liar like Willard, or you’re abetting the big lie. Which is it ?
Dr Willke isn’t a lar and neither is Dr Hurlbut.
Mitt Romney is a judicial supremacist, anti-republican, pro-choice, Stephen A. Douglas democrat. It’s all right there on his website, as of tonight.
Those are the facts.
The “pro-life” industry “leaders” who have been covering for this man for five years should be ashamed of themselves.
I’m afraid they’re beyond that, though, sadly.
Why exactly do you think they’re doing this?
You don’t suppose it has anything to do with lots of money changing hands, do you?
You have an enormous difficulty with following a conversation and an argument. Let’s establish an undeniable fact: Willard is the liar. If Drs. Willke & Hurlbut wish to tie their reputations to a NOTORIOUS liar and worthless political punk, that seriously calls into question their personal judgment.
Perhaps they should read Romney's own website.
It would be curious if these aforementioned individuals have accepted “donations” from Willard. Using bribery to purchase credibility is his big M.O. It truly is amazing just how cheaply some people are willing to sell their souls to a slick leftist of no morals and ethics like Willard. Once you’ve done it, you can’t get it back.
Don’t forget that Romney is a leveraged buyout guy. He rarely has to use his own money.
Heh.
When Dr. Willke ostensibly ran the NRTLC show, he came to Connecticut to support a package of state legislation jointly endorsed by Planned Barrenhood AND NRTLC's local affiliate, the "Pro-Life" Council of Connecticut run by a semibraindead former Democrat State Senator Regina Smith who doubled as Pro-Life Director of the Catholic Archdiocese of Hartford. The legislative package was pure sucker bait produced by Planned Barrenhood (Can't we all just get along and kill the maximum number of babies?). It repealed each and every pro-life statute (some enacted in the 1860s and others as recently as 1972 or so).
The statutes had not been enforced because of post-Roe vs. Wade fedcourt injunctions but, in the event of Roe vs. Wade being overturned there was a clear path to restoration (virtually automatic) and enforcement. In exchange Planned Barrenhood allowed vague nonsense like counseling by the abortionist's staff. As a result of this fiasco, Smith was fired as $60,000 per year "Pro-life" Director of the Archdiocese by an enraged Archbishop John F. Whealon (who in about 20 years as Archbishop fired practically no one despite many provocations). Regina Smith was also a National Vice President of NRTLC under Willke.
I had a chance to discuss this matter personally with Dr. Willke a year or two later when he came to Connecticut to address a national conference of University Faculty for Life. Out of respect for his previous accomplishments, I did not question him in public but at his car in the parking lot. I asked him how he could have supported such a legislative package when he had left Connecticut after doing so to go directly to another state (Wisconsin?) to support a legislative package there that was 180 degrees opposite of the shameful Connecticut legislation. Dr. Willke admitted that it was one of his worst mistakes and that he had relied on Regina Smith.
NRTLC, then and now opposes such efforts as Operation Rescue and similar exercises of pro-life activism that actually save the lives of innocent babies (according to even Planned Barrenhood's own Alan Guttmacher Institute which admits that 30% of babies scheduled to die at abortion mills on the day of a Rescue are not thereafter aborted. It was the privilege of the Operation Rescue types to be jailed, however briefly, to save those babies' lives. Meanwhile NRTLC's middle class respectability was more important to NRTLC than the babies' lives.
Dr. Willke is not an evil man. He has done yeoman work patiently explaining the facts of pregnancy and the humanity of the unborn for many decades. My impression of him was that he is a good guy. However, that makes me sad that he gets involved with political judgments as to which he is in WAY over his head. On top of everything else he imagines that George Herbert Walker Bush (Bush the Elder) was genuinely converted to pro-life. The fact is that his surrender on the issue was a condition of his nomination for VPOTUS imposed by Ronaldus Maximus. Bush the Elder's mother Dorothy Bush was for many decades on the national board of directors of Planned Barrenhood (serving along side of Peggy (Mrs. Barry) Goldwater. Barbara Bush is no better. George W. Bush (Bush the Younger) is, unlike his forebears a genuine Christian because Christianity was responsible for him abandoning addictions to alcohol and recreational drugs. He also appointed John Roberts as Chief Justice and Sam Alito as Associate Justice of SCOTUS.
I know nothing of Dr. Hurlburt but it sounds as though he should stick to the classroom or the laboratory and leave politics (and amateur psychiatry) to those who are competent in such fields.
There is absolutely NOTHING in Myth Romney's track record to suggest that he is other than a ranting, raving pro-abort monster like both of his parents. He enacted Romneycare in 2006 AFTER claiming to have been converted to pro-life in November, 2004. Romneycare required all employers, including pro-life churches, to pay for abortions ($50 co-pay) no matter how complicated, abortifacient IUDs, abortifacient "morning after" abortion pills, and probably abortifacient regular birth control pills (when my wife was propaganda mistress of a major pharmaceutical company, the scientific reports landed on her desk).
Many people here despise Obozio and that is justifiable and quite understandable. What is neither understandable nor justifiable is blind acceptance of uber pro-abort Myth Romney as somehow a pro-lifer. We are not called by God to be gullible idiots believing what we want to believe in spite of all the evidence. We REALLY want a pro-life POTUS major party candidate. Well, face it folks. We don't have one no matter what lies Myth babbles this year. The only difference between Myth and Obozo on life issues is that Obozo would like to move "forward" to an acceptance of killing them after they are born.
For people who are serious about morality, this year's major party candidates present us with a choice of Caligulas, Neros, Diocletians.
Our Christian predecessors suffered death in the arena (by lions, tigers, bears, gladiators) or by being exposed naked on ice-covered lakes or by being crucified like Peter or being burned as torches wrapped in pitch to illuminate Nero's garden parties. Dare I suggest that we, as pro-lifers, withhold our votes from Obozo AND from Myth Romney?
I won't worship any bloodthirsty Caesar (and both Obozo and Romney are quite bloodthirsty). Will you?
Dr. Jack Willke is not a liar and I'll take your word for it that Dr. Hurlbut is not one either. I've never met him and have no basis for knowing. People can be pathetically wrong without being liars since lying suggests that the speaker actually know what he is talking about and nevertheless intentionally tells a falsehood. If either of these two actually thinks that Myth is a pro-lifer, that would be an example of ignorance of the subject (Myth Romney) and political malpractice.
OTOH, to the extent that either or both are whitewashing the despicable track record of raging pro-abort Myth Romney, either or both are a couple of clueless Pollyannas wishin' and hopin' that the truth about Myth is not the truth. Both are in WAY over their respective heads as is any Romney flak who actually persuades him/herself that Myth is a pro-lifer.
I promise not to practice medicine. They should refrain from practicing politics when they haven't a clue as to what they are talking about.
Your last paragraph is beyond laughable given Myth's actual track record as an enthusiastic babykiller.
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