Stunning Report: "Stand Your Ground" Laws Responsible for 500-700 Homicides Per year

WOAI Radio ^ | 06/11/2012 | Jim Forsyth

[Afisra]

Research conducted at Texas A&M University concludes that far from reducing crime rates, so called 'Stand your Ground' laws are actually responsible for a drastic increase in the number of homicides nationwide each year.

[hal ogen]

If the people dieing are the criminals, who really cares. If anything, I wish 50,000 perps died each year to remove them from civilization ands keep them from draining societal resources while being in prison.

[hal ogen]

If the people dieing are the criminals, who really cares. If anything, I wish 50,000 perps died each year to remove them from civilization ands keep them from draining societal resources while being in prison.

[baddog 219]

Stand your ground.... Saves 600 to 700 innocent lives...
Stand your ground saves the American citizen millions...

[TexasCajun]

Stunning Report: "Stand Your Ground" Laws Responsible for 500-700 Murders Per year

And to complete the headline:

Crime Rate Drops!

[philman_36]

Since the article doesn’t give a link, or even the name, of the report I found it and posted a link to the report in reply 33.

[D1X1E]

Agree with your take on it.
Apparently the belief of the left is that one should sit quietly while being robbed, offering no resistance or defense and thereby avoid having to shoot someone; that if someone dies, it is all the fault of the law abiding victim for daring to defend with force. Idiotic view, but yes that seems to be how they think.

[PapaBear3625]

One quote from the article that annoys me:

The laws remove the so called 'duty to retreat' which dates from English Common Law. That tradition holds that before a person can use deadly force against an attacker, they must first take affirmative steps to defuse the situation.

The Common Law "duty to retreat" applied to an affray(brawl, fight between two or more people). If you were involved in a drunken brawl, or a fight over who disrespected who, then each participant has a legal duty to retreat rather than escalate the level of violence.

This "duty to retreat" did NOT give any duty to retreat from robbers, rapists, etc.

[philman_36]

Link to report in 33. May be worth a new ping so everyone can see what is being said from the horse’s mouth.

[Dead Corpse]

Agreed.

Too bad history shows that the only real way to keep these folks from imposing their will on the rest of us is to oppose them with violence.

Maybe it’s one of the reasons those “Old Dead White Guys” wrote a Second Amendment into our Bill of Rights. Ya’ think?

[Afisra]

Well done!

[PapaBear3625]

“In fact, they say the response of criminals to the idea that the victim may be armed is to arm themselves as well, turning what otherwise would have been burglaries and robberies into homicides.”

Ah, the logic of unilateral disarmament. By that logic, it would make sense to disarm the police as well, to avoid escalating the situation.

[MrB]

“the only real way to keep these folks from imposing their will on the rest of us is to oppose them with violence”

That’s evident in the case of Fast and Furious and Eric Holder. They’ll continue to do what they want to do until they are physically stopped from doing it. Hold up the law, morality, common decency, or even simple courtesy as a “barrier” to their behavior and they just walk right on by it, daring you to stop them.

If you’ve ever dealt with an alcoholic or drug addict,
they act in exactly this same way.

[Falcon4.0]

Yes, I believe the term they are deliberately ignoring is
"Justifiable Homicide".

[smokingfrog]

They say data released by the states showed a sharp increase in justifiable homicide in the years immediately after they approved Stand Your Ground laws.

Well, .... duh!

[Sacajaweau]

The worm has turned fortunately. It was indeed the usual...that only criminals have guns. Now, we're nipping off the bad guys and that is what was intended under the right to bear arms. And of course, self defense, is a natural right.

But killing babies in the womb is not a right.

Our government is soooooo wrong sometimes and I hope to see the abortion laws overturned in my lifetime.

Of course, Obama's girls will be disappointed.

[philman_36]

I would appreciate any comments you might have based upon the Abstract and the "difference-in-differences design research" style utilized.

Page two has something interesting as well...

First we investigate whether the laws increase justifiable homicide by private citizens. Importantly, justifiable homicide is defined as “the killing of a felon, during commission of a felony, by private citizen”.

Yeah, some real twists and turns in this one.

[yldstrk]

oh, so the criminals are armed

ok

yeah, everyone knows the criminals are armed.

But the left asserts the criminals are armed to defend against the victims????????????????

Ludicrous, ridiculous, depraved. Now criminals have a right to an unarmed victim????????????????

[Calvin Locke]

...there is no evidence that the law provides positive spillovers by deterring crime more generally,...

Corrupter. Where's the proof that any, let alone a majority, of those stopped dead, were, voluntarily that is, on their last jaunt in criminal enterprising?

That is, the positive spillover is somewhat akin to "A stitch in time saves nine".

[philman_36]

Well done!
Thank you. Not having even the name in the article raised big alarms for me.
So, I went hunting...

I see now that I forgot to add you in my reply. My apologies. Good to see you're following your own thread.

[aruanan]

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