Posted on 03/28/2012 7:52:10 AM PDT by Sopater
Once you've had a significant encounter (ie, learning experience) with Child Protective Services or a social worker on speed dial with same, you know this: either you have stupendous financial resources or you shut up and lie low for 18 years.
That's how long your children are hostages to fortune. That's how long you are not entitled to any presumption of innocence. That's how long they are empowered by an almost effortless, almost instantaneous court order to send an armed man to your door to take your children from you.
Lawsuits like that are for the affluent, who are rarely subjected to torment from social workers. CPS agents prey mainly on those they perceive to be feeble and easy to take down.
Somewhat related to case workers. My son left a state where he got a dcf case closed and surviving is a separation order where he is granted custody of his 4 children. The mother has supervised only visitation. Now in Florida he is told the separation document has to be ‘domesticated’ or else it carries no weight. Now case was closed with dcf in the original state. He is now being told that dcf in Florida can open a case just because of the domestication (re-recording) action. Can anybody chip in here? Will he be faced with dcf in every state he might move to now? fyi: dcf was party to the separation decree in the original state.
What in heaven set you off about a SSN application?
Frankly, I don’t remember any questions for that.
Maybe name of mother, father, etc.
use of midwife and child born in ambulance
Although I'm not certain I suspect that there's at least one exception to that rule.....when it's deemed by hospital administration that a newborn is in danger of mistreatment/abuse/neglect/improper parenting they'd almost certainly be allowed to "take custody" of the child,temporarily,on an emergency basis until a court or government official takes the matter further.
As I said earlier,OB/Newborn Medicine is world unto itself with its own standards of practice *and* legal requirements.
The labor nurse got so impatient with me as I was washing my face that she literally closed and locked my makeup case with my finger still inside.
A nurse came in and took my son claiming she needed to weigh him (but not his twin sister?). Too many minutes later I was wandering the halls, twin sister in tow, desperately searching for my son. No nurse would so much as turn to answer my please for help. When I finally got him back I put my bed against the door to keep anyone from coming in, called my husband to come get me, and we left. Twenty one years later, I'm still freaking angry.
The medical industry is just that: An Industry. It's a money-making BUSINESS! The main focus is not Health care, but making money and (now) the government is trying ti use it to control people like cattle. My suggestion is to primarily keep yourself healthy and avoid them like the plague. READ! STUDY! HELP YOURSELF AND DON'T TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT!
It is drilled into their lackey's (nurses, secretaries, etc.) to sell goods and services that are unneeded or unwanted, especially if the patients insurance will pay for it (Why not get it? It's FREE to YOU!!!).
Good Lord Jesus! What is this country coming too?
So this family that took Social Services to court for threatening to take children away now has the newborn nearly confiscated?
I did some searches on the web, and could find nothing to support sumarinerswife’s suggestion that there’s more to the story. Granted, there may well be more to the story, but it is not publicly available, that I could find.
It would appear to be sloppy copy — someone is mixing details of a PA case (Ferris) with a different case in AZ (Loudermilk).
Well, doggone, they forgot their check. In fact, they didn't even know you'd ever need a check. The penalty appeared to be the hospital taking custody of the baby for another day!
So, we ran down there with a check.
Next time the baby comes on Monday, not Friday.
I did not realize they had mixed the two stories together. It reads as if it is only refering to the PA case. Live and learn. Thanks to all for clearing this up.
I had midwifery care for all or part of several pregnancies. Babies are born on the way to the hospital quite often. Now maybe it was a lay midwife who rubs the medical establishment the wrong way, but the mother went to the hospital.
There are many many women who get no prenatal care, show up at the hospital in labor and go home with their babies with no legal difficulty in spite of nurses and doctors thinking, well this woman has no business having babies.
Pennsylvania does permit Certified Professional Midwives to attend home births.
Wait, what? That ain’t INOVA.
I have my own coffie mug at both FFX and Arlington.
He could always move to an area where the courts and Child Protectors are far too busy with real criminals to hassle him. But there, he’d have other problems. And d*** few gun rights.
> I hope they sue the pants off of that hospital, the doctor, the case worker, and the nurses.
Sue? I’d be filing kidnapping charges.
Funny, Giving Hep B vaccines to newborns doesn’t sound right to me. Was there any reason to give your grand son Hep B vaccine? Does your daughter/daughter in law have Hep B? If not, does it not seem like a bad idea to give a newborn multiple vaccinations for a disease they have almost no chance of being exposed to? You do realize that it is transmitted via blood/semen and most newborns through at least 10 years of age SHOULD NOT be coming into contact with those things or doing IV drugs.
Bottom line, if mom doesn’t have it, babies don’t need it.
The first big screwing I took in business was at the hands of an ER doc. It was his partner who gave me to understand the “minor deity” thing. Later he actually opened a leech-therapy clinic or something like that.
Wow, thanks... this will indeed help.
Been there too. If you go to the eye doctor for reading glasses and he says your distance vision isn't up to snuff, see what happens when you refuse to purchase a pair for that. He'll threaten to report you to motor vehicle.
We are losing our freedoms. Do not answer truthfully when a doctor asks if you own guns, or if you operate a motor vehicle. Such questions are not innocuous.
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