Would a Rubio VP run force Obama to prove he is a Natural Born Citizen? (Vanity)

March 25, 2012 | no dems

[no dems]

Another FReeper, on another thread, made a great observation regarding a possibility of Marco Rubio being on the GOP Ticket in 2012. And, I quote:

“Public speculation about his potential for Veep consideration would, in a sane world, bring attention to Obummer’s lack of natural-born citizenship. And if he was not qualified four years ago...”

Wow....that is a great observation. If Rubio is on the Ticket, and his “Natural Born Citizenship” status is questioned, that would open up a demand for a show of proof that Obama is a N-B-C. His fake “record of live birth” that he produced is not sufficient. Talk about a “catch-22” situation for Obama and Co. Oh yeah; that’s what I’m talking about. And, I know that this will not set well with the “birthers” but as for me, I want to see Rubio get the VP nod, now, more than ever. Not to mention the fact that he could help the GOP with their Hispanic vote deficit, he’d also carry Florida; and whoever carries Florida, wins the White House.

[Red Steel]

The Dem groups know no hypocrisy. They would come out of the wood work for Rubio while ignoring Obama’s lack of eligibility.

[Capt. Tom]

Wrong, McCain had the senate pass a sense of the senate statement saying he was able to run. No one contested it. Your wrong. Read about it here: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=pfwc&gs_nf=1&cp=15&gs_id=1o&xhr=t&q=imes+mccain+birthplace&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=imes+mccain+bir&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=dcfb21c058468efb&biw=926&bih=595

[no dems]

Ref. your Post #17: That’s all well and good. But, if Rubio was chosen as the GOP nominee for VP, and whether or not he is a NBC was challenged, it could force Obama to prove that he too is a NBC as well; or I think all hell would break loose in this nation.

[kabumpo]

There is no such thing as the Hispanic vote. The term was invented by the dems, and refers to Mexicans, the largest Latino group in the US. Rubio is Cuban - the other Latinos won’t vote for him.

[RIghtwardHo]

No.

[no dems]

Verginius Rufus said:

My theory is that the birth certificate that has been released is a fake not because the real one would show that Obama was born in Kenya but because of other information which would be damaging to him.

Man, it is so frustrating to me that nothing is being done about this. We've always been taught that we are "a nation of laws; not of men". Now, is that longer true? What in the hell is going on? Can nothing be done about this? Do we have no recourse? YES; I'M FRUSTRATED!!!

[no dems]

Rubio is Cuban - the other Latinos won’t vote for him.
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I’m not so sure about that. Not sure what State you’re in, but I’m in Texas. We have a few Mexicans here. And, Rubio is very popular among the Mexicans who are politically astute. I’ve been a political junkie since childhood and you can trust me on this one.

[House Atreides]

“.....if Rubio was chosen as the GOP nominee for VP, and whether or not he is a NBC was challenged, it could force Obama to prove that he too is a NBC as well.....”
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I’m not buying it. Having the Republicans put Rubio on the ticket would simply FIRMLY place the Republican establishment in “nothing here, move on” mode.

I’m placing whatever little hope I have in this matter with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his cold case posse. They are among the dwindling number of American patriots with any guts at all.

[MadelineZapeezda]

Doesn’t matter...Paul Ryan is thinking about it :))))

[kabumpo]

I inhabit a Hispanic subculture, and I know from a lot of sad experience that all the other groups hate Cubans (for having left paradise)

[bondserv]

From what I have read, Rubio, Santorum and Romney are all on the same questionable “Natural Born Citizen” boat.

[LibFreeUSA]

People, please do your own research on what the courts and the regulations have established with respect to "U.S. Citizenship", and don't take what is undoubtably and clearly SPECULATIVE OPINION that is being bandied about regarding the TERM... "natural born citizen".

Here, I will save everyone the trouble:

1. There is ONLY. I repeat ONLY, two types of "citizenship" status in this country that carry LEGAL weight in this country:

1. U.S. Citizen by BIRTH / "born under the jurisdiction of the United States"

or...

2. U.S. Citizen by NATURALIZATION

There is no "third" category of "CITIZENSHIP" like "Natural Born" citizen. You are either ONE (a U.S. Citizen by Birth) or the OTHER (a U.S. Citizen that has been Naturalized).

You can debate the issue of "Natural Born" under the Constitution all you want (much like how many angels can dance on a pin's head), but if a person was BORN in this country and their parents were not diplomats or other recognized government officials from a foreign country", CURRENTLY, they are legally a U.S. Citizen. It doesn't matter if both parent were here on a vacation from Jupiter, the person born here will be considered a U.S. Citizen under the laws of this country (look it up).

The Obama situation is clearly a "situation" if it can be proven that he was NOT BORN in the USA. If you can't prove that, there is no case! Period. I doesn't matter if his father was from North Korea or Saudi Arabia. If he was born in the USA, he is a U.S. Citizen by Birth!

If Marco Rubio was born in the USA, and his parents were here on vacation, he is "U.S. Citizen by Birth". Period! The guy can run for any office in the land!

[rolling_stone]

Maybe you should pass your opinion on to the US State Department,,,

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 -

Consular Affairs

7 FAM 1131.6 Nature of Citizenship Acquired by Birth Abroad to U.S. Citizen Parents

7 FAM 1131.6-1 Status Generally

(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)

Persons born abroad who acquire U.S. citizenship at birth by statute generally have the same rights and are subject to the same obligations as citizens born in the United States who acquire citizenship pursuant to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. One exception is that they may be subject to citizenship retention requirements.

7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency

(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)

a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.

b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that ―No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President.‖

c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The ―Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization‖, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, ―...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.

d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf

[no dems]

I’m placing whatever little hope I have in this matter with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his cold case posse.
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What’s the latest on that? Anybody know?

[House Atreides]

“People, please do your own research on what the courts and the regulations have established with respect to “U.S. Citizenship”, and don’t take what is undoubtably and clearly SPECULATIVE OPINION that is being bandied about regarding the TERM... “natural born citizen”.”
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Maybe, just maybe, YOU should do some more research. Maybe, just maybe, what YOU are bandying about is the SPECULATIVE OPINION. As to some of us, we would like to see a Supreme Court ruling as to what “natural born citizen” means with respect to the office of the US Presidency. We think we know what it meant to the Founders.

And no, I don’t think you’ll cow us into “just move along, nothing here” mode. You can stay there with your head planted in the sand if you want.

[no dems]

Doesn’t matter...Paul Ryan is thinking about it :))))
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I’d love to see an Open Convention and the GOP leave Tampa with a Ryan / Rubio Ticket.

[no dems]

If Marco Rubio was born in the USA, and his parents were here on vacation, he is “U.S. Citizen by Birth”. Period! The guy can run for any office in the land!
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Thank you!

[Road Warrior ‘04]

Problem is, two wrongs don't make a right! Don't get me wrong! Rubio is one of the last best hopes America has, but if his parents were not citizens at his birth, he's ineligible....as I understand it. On the other hand, the specter of Bowbama squirming to prove his citizenship is enticing!

[GAB-1955]

You are wrong. If Rubio was born in the United States, then he is a Natural Born Citizen. No Jus Sanguis in my country!

[rolling_stone]

so what does under the jusrisdiction mean? The child of two illegal aliens from North Korea if born in the USA is a US citizen, and eligible to run for the presidency? Do you have any limits? By statute a foundling of unknown parentage found in the US under age 5 (iirc)is a US citizen at birth is that okay too?