Posted on 01/31/2012 1:30:54 PM PST by Pyro7480
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney says there are no “constitutional rights issues” involved in a regulation issued by the administration that requires all health-care plans in the United States to cover sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that induce abortions.
Because the Catholic Church holds that sterilization, artificial contraception and abortion are morally wrong and Catholic cannot be involved in them, the regulation--in combination with the Obamacare mandate that all Americans buy health insurance--will force American Catholics to choose between following the federal regulation or following the teachings of their church.
“I don’t believe there are any constitutional rights issues here,” Carney said when asked at today’s White House briefing about the regulation.
“The administration believes that this proposal strikes the appropriate balance between respecting religious beliefs and increasing access to important preventative services,” Carney told reporters....
(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...
A couple of FR threads:
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
Sure it is. So you are going to support and defend the governments requirement for me to purchase health insurance that goes against my religion?
Because if one follows your line of thinking and Catholics will need to seek insurance elsewhere, insurance companies will not be able to meet the needs of Catholics because of the law.
It should be obvious to all who are called by God that this
is an attack on Christianity, not just the Catholics.
Thanks for this, I had not heard of it, being a heathen Southern Baptist. I will look forward to seeing this movie.
The gates of Hell shall not prevail against Christ’s Church, & neither will any earthly power.
Constitution? We don’ need no stinkin’ Constitution.
Romney is just as bad so if it’s a choice between Zero and Romney, it is no choice at all.
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Islamist don’t like contraception. I wonder how this will play in Dearborn
I think what he meant to say was that with Obama as president “you have no constitutional rights.”
Well, sorta.
The law that will take effect in 2014 compels EVERYONE to have health insurance or pay a fine to the IRS.
That part is clearly an unarguably Unconstitutional on it's face.
However, that Catholics (even METHODISTS!) would be compelled too, is not.
Whether the policy they must have includes coverage for things they choose NOT to avail themselves of is simply not only NOT a Constitutional issue, it's not even a legal issue.
Also, on the very important issue of Hospitals and the enormous good Catholic Hospitals do not only in the US, but worldwide: They will be compelled to provide these services...or they cannot receive federal funds.
That's an onerous burden that will exact their compliance or put them out of business. The sad fact is that no Hospital or Healthcare Provider of any kind can survive without Uncle Sams' money. However, they cannot be compelled to offer those services...they simply must to be eligible to receive federal payments of any kind.
On the issue of the Catholic Church or any other official Catholic entity being required to supply a plan to their employees that includes the objectionable services: They do not have to provide the plan. These entities could elect to not provide any insurance whatsoever and simply pay a fine to the IRS. They are NOT compelled to provide a compliant plan no matter what.
No, the only Constitutional issue is that everyone must have health insurance as a result of being alive.
It's Obamacare that must be destroyed and we MUST figure out as a society and a free people how to get government out of healthcare.
You take Uncle Sams' money, you play by Uncle Sams' rules.
And, right now, Uncle Sam is a Godless Commie.
Except that any employer over 16 people (if I remember the number right) has to provide healthcare under the law.
Dude. You can't see the forest for the trees.
The Godless Commies in DC are not going to coerce you to purchase health insurance because of your chosen religion.
They're going to coerce you to purchase health insurance because you are still breathing. That is the issue.
The number of employees is not important.
What is important is that any employer can decide to NOT provide insurance and pay a fine that is less that the cost of the insurance.
This was done by design.
Upon the effective date, every employer sponsored plan in America will cease to exist. Their stockholders will INSIST upon it.
Everyone will go into the exchanges and those with income will pay through the nose, those without will get a free ride and be at the doctor every other Thursday for more Prozac and Opioids.
The number of employees is not important.
What is important is that any employer can decide to NOT provide insurance and pay a fine that is less that the cost of the insurance.
This was done by design.
Upon the effective date, every employer sponsored plan in America will cease to exist. Their stockholders will INSIST upon it.
Everyone will go into the exchanges and those with income will pay through the nose, those without will get a free ride and be at the doctor every other Thursday for more Prozac and Opioids.
It’s called the FIRST AMENDMENT and it’s the ENTIRE reason the US came to be in the first place.
No “Constitutional Right”??? I suppose in a WAY he is right - Freedom of Religion is an unalienable right granted to us by GOD and NOT “given” by the Constitution or our Government, either. The Constitution acknowledges and honors that right - but it is ours from GOD, and not MAN that we should be allowed to practice our religion and worship God in any way we see fit as long as it doesn’t interfere with another person’s unalienable rights. It is NOT something that is allowed under the Constitution to be denied to us BY the Government. These would have been honest-to-goodness “fighting words” during many times in World History.
It’s egregious simply because they are so incredibly blatant about their refusal to acknowledge these rights - and that should make EVERY citizen upset. Catholics are not asking others to change THEIR beliefs or practices, just to be able to observe their OWN! The Catholic Church is at this very moment being oppressed in a serious way, and it should be of grave concern to everyone, IMHO.
What he is saying is that if they don’t like it, they can quit their jobs, and all the schooling and training involved, and find another line of work.
You forget one thing... Everyone except those in UNIONS, or IN the Government (like Congress), and those who work for specific companies that are associated with waivers, and the like. I think this is how the US government will favor certain “good” corporations over others - all a part of their big plan to engineer the marketplace, and people’s social freedoms as well. (See the Soviet Union, and Nazi Germany, and modern day Middle Eastern Nations for a couple other examples with various differences which are really in name only).
More ways for the politburo to control the “workers” while they pretend to be “protecting” us from evil business owners.
I wonder what would happen if all CONSERVATIVES decided to “strike” when Obamacare does take full effect (IF we can’t stop it before then)?
According to Catholics news own web site. Catholics supported Obama by 54% to 44% over McCain in 2008 election. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0805649.htm
I know not every Catholic voted Obama but didn’t the majority do this to themselves with supporting him?
Pray for America.
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