Does Mormonism Scare you? Does the thought of a Mormon US President Romney scare you? READ THIS!

January 27, 2012 | Ralph Mitchell

[mitchell001]

Does the thought of Mitt Romney, a devout Mormon and Mormon leader, becoming President scare you? After reading this testimonial of an ex-Mormon ((http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_packham/why.html)), I am scared of Mitt Romney becoming President. Remember when Barack Obama was seeking the nomination in 2008, his 20 year attendance at Jerimiah Wright's church where radical preaching took place was glossed over by the American public and the press. I say we do not make the same mistake with Mitt Romney and his leadership role in the Mormon Church. In the GOP nominating process, let's explore Mitt's Mormon beliefs. Am I totally off base? Please read the link on the ex-Mormon above!

[svcw]

Your leader giving a seminar on how to lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zA-rZQB-xQ
Jeff, you do yourself a disservice to deny the information you have been provided as bogus or distorted when it comes from lds sites.

[Glenn]

Mormons help Mormons.

They are shrewd businessmen. They are Jew wannabes. If Romney wins, invest in Mormon headed businesses.

I may be a racist.

[Tennessee Nana]

What do you make of the 300,000+ citizens thousand who already have voted for him, the vast majority not LDS?
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I say about 200,000 of them were Democrats who want him opposite their Obama in Nov

What say you ???

;)

[Scoutmaster]

Who you callin' MINOR??? [Written tongue-in-cheek with photo of Watchtower building]

I respect the rights of Jehovah's Witnesses to worship as they choose as well. When I first became in-house at a children's hospital, I surprised their liaison by inviting him to lunch. My two immediate predecessors wouldn't even answer his telephone calls.

I listened to him, brought my Bible to go over the passages he wanted to discuss. I read his materials, including the medical journal articles on blood-free procedures (which were fascinating - especially the ones on cardie-thoracic surgery without blood transfusions) . But I explained our legal obligations as a hospital. I always met with the parents and relatives, as well as the liaison, when we had to go to court.

It's been a few years, but I previously could go toe-to-toe with you on JW blood issues and their Biblical sources and interpretations.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have an interesting growth pattern; they baptize twice as many people each year as become new 'publishers.'

I'll still stick by my reason for reading LDS history - from secular and religious sources, from the LDS Official History of the Church to academic sources, from faithful (Neal A. Maxwell, FARMS, BYU, FAIR, and Desert Publishing related) to non-faithful (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Sunstone, Signature Books, University of Indiana Press):

Mormonism is the only American contribution to the world's major religions.

[Timaeus]

I expected the media and the democrats to bring up religion, but not conservatives.

Yes, because conservatives aren't interested in religion ... oh, wait ... yes, we kind of are.

[Jeff Head]

svcw, he did not teach anyone how to lie. He was teaching a group of missionaries how to bring the discussion back to a central point from which they can teach.

I do not happen to agree with how he proposed to do that for the very reasons you are trying to illicit...that is, without any intent to do so, people like yourself, looking for a reason, will say they are deceiving people (which is not their intent at all). I personally would not deflect the question but would answer it with scripture from the Bible which would serve to support our interpretation, and then I would proceed to go where he went and ask them if they want to know why we have come to believe that.

IMHO, something like that is not a very good video for you to use to try and say that Mormons teach their members to lie. You have taken a speech given to LDS Missionaries who are specifically sent out to teach about the Restoratioon of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified through Joseph Smith and an individual trying to help them not get bushwacked and sidetracked away from that goal by all sorts of questions that are usually meant to attack.

As I said, I would address it and approach it differently and myself have taught missionaries and prospective missionaries the to do so.

Anyhow...we could go on with this all night...and I do not intend to do so. The Church is large with millions of members. They are not perfect by any stretch. They make mistakes...we all do.

I do not agree with the method this individual used, for the reason I just explained. I have taught differently, both at the Mission Training Center in Provo years ago, and where I have lived since.

But I have also found that people can just about find whatever they want to find when you are talking about a population of millions.

I see the good fruit from the church and there is a whole lot of it. You concentrate on the bad fruit and there is some of that too because people are human.

In the end, the Savior, and God in Heaven will judge us all by our hearts and true acceptance of Him in our hearts and souls. The church brings people to Christ...the interpretations are different than yours, but the central, critical point is that Christ Jesus saves, and His atonement alone.

Bringing people to Christ is a good thing and I appluad anyone who does so, to whatever degree they can, and to whateve measure of His truth they have...all of that is good and is a boon to our nation.

God bless you for your own efforts in that regard. I will continue doing the same from the perspective I have through the Holy Ghost and try and help people by so doing, not the least of which have been my own family, kids and grandkids.

[svcw]

“The fruit”, (assuming here ‘by their fruit you shall know them’) has to do with false prophets.
Jeff, you use a lot of words to explain the most simple of concepts. The video was one of the lds leader teaching other lds how to avoid answering questions, how to change the subject and NOT answer direct questions about mormonISM.
Sorry, in this universe that is lying.

[sickoflibs]

You two sure know how to liven up a LDS party.

This one is calling you both : #186 as I watched the whole training video after Elsie posted a link to it.

There is also the part where they teach them not to defend their beliefs, which they call arguing or debate as bad. Better to seek those that are easy targets.

[EagleInGA]

Personally I don’t care how the Dems use Romney’s religion against him in the general. The party of Romney is no party of mine. I’d write in “Santa Claus” before voting for that pandering fraud.

[Jeff Head]

No...he did not.

He simply taught them how to stay on point and task when confonted with a question that would lead them away from what they are sent out to teach. He did not tell them to decieve, he did not tell them to answer untruthfully, he simple taught them to ask a differnt question so they can accomplish what they are sent out to do.

I also indicated that I did not agree with that approach for the reasons I explained and that I myself have taught in that same Missionary Training Center, and now later in other places I have lived, how to do so per what I outlined above.

I also tried to explain...and you like to call it wordy because it provides important background that refutes these huge claims and accusation you make...that there are millions of LDS and that they all are human and do not all do things that you or I agree with.

That does not make them liars...though there are certainly those that do that too. If you want to find them...you can. If you want to find good...you can also.

[svcw]

So then let me ask you, when your past leaders have said it was reveled to them there are Quaker like people on the moon, do you agree?
So then let me ask you when your leaders have taught/teach that you will get your own planet and become a god, do you agree?
So then me ask which of the fourteen first visions do you beleive to be “the truth”?
Just wondering.

[MarkBsnr]

With apologies to Jim Morrison and the Doors (Riders on the Storm):

Quakers on the Moon
Quakers on the Moon
It really is a boon
To have Quakers on the Moon
If you give a man a gun, he’ll really have some fun
Quakers on the Moon

There’s a Mormon on the road
J Smith is squirming like a toad
Take a great big tithe
And a polygamous wife
If you give this man a vote
You’re hist’ry and I quote
Mormon on the road

You gotta love your Newt
You gotta love your Newt
Your vote you gotta cast
8 years he’s gotta last
On him we all depend
Our country never end
Gotta love your Newt

Romney’s on the stump
Romney’s on the stump
This nation we must save
For the free and for the brave
We’re not a Romney fan
Newt’s our go-to man
Romney’s on the stump

Take the Romney down
Vote for Newt right now
Take the Romney down
Vote for Newxt right now

[MarkBsnr]

Hmm; in rereading this, it sounds like I’m advocating violence against Quakers; didn’t mean it to come out that way. The juxtaposition of guns against the Quaker non violence seemed good at the moment of composition, however, I don’t want anyone to get the wrong idea...

[svcw]

;-)

[reaganaut]

That is hilarious!!!

[sickoflibs]

RE :”No...he did not. He simply taught them how to stay on point and task when confonted with a question that would lead them away from what they are sent out to teach. He did not tell them to decieve, he did not tell them to answer untruthfully, he simple taught them to ask a differnt question so they can accomplish what they are sent out to do.”

Well then please relay exactly how they recruited you to LDS. What was the exact back and forth exchange between you and them; and what did they say that convinced you that they were Christians?

I watched the whole Bob Millet lecture at another link.

[mrreaganaut]

Oh, I thought you were referencing Smith’s attempted prison break, where he got killed. He accidentally shot his brother in the back, if I recall correctly.

On the other hand, now I’ll be singing that song all night! Oh noes!

[Zionist Conspirator]

Liberal Romney scares me. The mormon church isn’t even a blip on my radar screen, and anyone who seriously thinks that there is any real danger of a mormon “theocratic” takeover of the USA needs to get help.

[delacoert]

… I myself have taught in that same Missionary Training Center

Well, that sure explains alot.

You are flat wrong (or are you practicing the art of deceit?) when you say that Robert Millet is not "telling" them (Mormon missionaries) to deceive.

Not only is he teaching them to deceive, he is teaching them how to manipulate and control. Apparently you teach people the same art.

Manipulating people is bad enough ...

Teaching young people how to deceive, manipulate and control; having them do it in the very homes of their targets; and titling them missionaries is beyond revolting. In my opinion, it's evil.

[MHGinTN]

Um, I don’t think you’re supposed to out Jeff. Folks are supposed to take what he says without questioning, after all, even he has taught the stuff Robert teaches, and Jeff doesn’t realize it is purposed decetion, so we’re supposed to give him a pass, don’tchaknow.