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PAUL: War on terror doesn’t justify retreat on rights
Washington Times ^ | 11/30/11 | Sen Rand Paul

Posted on 12/01/2011 6:51:21 PM PST by Bokababe

James Madison, father of the Constitution, warned, “The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become instruments of tyranny at home.” Abraham Lincoln had similar thoughts, saying, “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

During war, there has always been a struggle to preserve constitutional liberties. During the Civil War, the right of habeas corpus was suspended. Newspapers were closed. Fortunately, those actions were reversed after the war.

The discussion now to suspend certain rights to due process is especially worrisome, given that we are engaged in a war that appears to have no end. Rights given up now cannot be expected to be returned. So we do well to contemplate the diminishment of due process, knowing that the rights we lose now may never be restored.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: constitution; randpaul; sb1867
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SB 1867 passed.
1 posted on 12/01/2011 6:51:28 PM PST by Bokababe
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The link to the rest of the article is here http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/30/war-on-terror-doesnt-justify-retreat-on-rights/?page=all#pagebreak


2 posted on 12/01/2011 6:52:53 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: bamahead; Bokababe

Liberty ping

A House of assholes save Rand and the rest that voted for Liberty.


3 posted on 12/01/2011 6:58:00 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: Bokababe

What about the War on Energy? The EPA wants to OUTLAW drilling for shale oil and gas!


4 posted on 12/01/2011 6:59:55 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Gene Eric

So tell me again how the Republicans are the defenders of the Constitution.


5 posted on 12/01/2011 7:04:31 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Bokababe

On everything outside of foreign policy, RP is 100% on the money.


6 posted on 12/01/2011 7:06:44 PM PST by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: Lurker

Who said they were?


7 posted on 12/01/2011 7:06:44 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: Bokababe

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”


8 posted on 12/01/2011 7:09:35 PM PST by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: Bokababe

BOLSHEVIK AND MENSHEVIK COMRADES AGREE ON SUPPRESSION OF COUNTERREVOLUTIONARIES AND REVANCHIST SABOTEURS AND WRECKERS!

(How is that party take over coming along?)


9 posted on 12/01/2011 7:12:10 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Gene Eric; All
A House of assholes save Rand and the rest that voted for Liberty.

Senator Mark Kirk even read the Constitution aloud in the Senate before the vote.

Roll Call on the Vote. (Traitors List)

And then SB1867 weren't bad enough, they tried to tack another amendment on to that would have allowed the U.S. government to detain an American citizen indefinitely, even after they had been tried and found not guilty, until Congress declares an end to the war on terror. Rand actually stopped that one from happening.

10 posted on 12/01/2011 7:13:13 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Lurker

Something is seriously wrong here.


11 posted on 12/01/2011 7:14:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: Bokababe

Too bad the ‘right’ Paul isn’t running. Rand is much more balanced than Ron.


12 posted on 12/01/2011 7:16:39 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero est un espece de merde.)
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To: Bokababe
SB 1867 passed.

Is there a accounting on who voted for it and who voted against it?

13 posted on 12/01/2011 7:20:10 PM PST by guitarplayer1953
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To: Bokababe

I was shocked to see Kirk vote correctly.


14 posted on 12/01/2011 7:24:40 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Gene Eric

No kidding.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 7:26:57 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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Too bad the ‘right’ Paul isn’t running. Rand is much more balanced than Ron.

No kidding.
16 posted on 12/01/2011 7:36:23 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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Too bad the ‘right’ Paul isn’t running. Rand is much more balanced than Ron.

Charlie Sheen is more balanced than Ron.

17 posted on 12/01/2011 7:55:09 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Bokababe; Gene Eric; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; ...
So we do well to contemplate the diminishment of due process, knowing that the rights we lose now may never be restored.

Liberty may have very well died today. The Executive Branch is now sole arbiter of an individual's right to due process, as LEFTIST Republicrats like Graham and McCain cheered on. It's really quite surreal to think about.



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

18 posted on 12/01/2011 8:18:26 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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Good thing is, if it passes the house, there is going to be a lot of pressure from Obama’s left base to veto this bill, at least the draconian provisions. If he doesn’t it will hurt him big time.

http://www.truth-out.org/gut-check-moment-mr-obama/1322618578


19 posted on 12/01/2011 8:42:09 PM PST by Rennes Templar (Cain Train is rollin'!)
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...Hmmm, seems to me, I don't remember Congress voting on a Declaration of War? So, the war is really,,, uuup, Unconstitutional! And BHO thinks, well Bush did it, and Clinton did it, so, I can do it!

...I'm done with these clowns. Time to check the Criminal list.

20 posted on 12/01/2011 8:47:06 PM PST by gargoyle (...Amendments 1 and 2, a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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