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To: Mike10542

The story that has everyone riled up:

Enough

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Wednesday, September 7th at 4:45AM EDT
140 Comments

“[A]t some point, Sarah Palin has to take some responsibility for her supporters as Ron Paul must for his. Palin’s dragging out the tease on her decision has compounded the problem and we’ve reached a breaking point.”

On Fox News, Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham had the best discussion on Sarah Palin I have seen. And Ann said something I have said. But I have not said it nearly as well as Ann did.

To paraphrase Ann, a lot of us fell in love with Sarah Palin because of her enemies and a lot of us have fallen out of love with Sarah Palin because of her fans.

For the past year, Palin fans have become an online fixture with more venom and insanity than the most rabid Ron Paul fan. They have not evangelized on behalf of Sarah Palin trying to lead people to Sarah Palin, they have freaked a lot of us out.

I am at the point of fearing that should Palin not get in the race we’re going to have a Hale Bopp moment with many of her most ardent supporters. These people have become too emotionally invested in one person to discuss that person rationally or even to address serious policy concerns.

For the longest time I wanted Sarah Palin to run.

At some point, I decided Sarah Palin could not defeat Barack Obama, but I’d rather go down fighting on Team Sarah than side with any of the guys who will just take us down the “big government conservative” path of creeping socialism.

Finally, I decided Sarah Palin was not going to run and I moved on. Ultimately, 2012 really is about beating Barack Obama, not what Sarah Palin will or will not do.

Unfortunately, as I found out and as others are starting to find out, moving on from Sarah Palin is like leaving Scientology.

To not bow at the throne of Sarah you get disowned. You get attacked. You have people drum up stories attacking your credibility. “Oh, Perry announced at his event, he must be bought and paid for,” etc. Ironically, some of the very people going after this site’s and my credibility — claiming we’re pressured to do things by higher ups at Eagle Publishing — are people who were on payrolls advocating for clients while refusing to disclose potential conflicts among other things. To add comedy to irony, it seems more and more apparent that some of those who attacked this site and me for holding editorial positions based on what our corporate parent dictates (a lie designed to undermine our lack of sufficiently pro Palin bona fides among other things) are themselves engaging in projection because it is they, not RedState nor me, who must tread carefully in who they attack because their livelihoods depend on it. It’s always the kooks who project their sins on others.

Logic, reason, and being nominally on the same side in a fight against Obama has no logic for people in the cult. In the past month RedState and I personally have been attacked for being in Romney’s camp, Perry’s camp, Bachmann’s camp, Herman Cain’s camp, and most laughably in Jon Huntsman’s camp — all by Palin fans who clearly are not paying attention.

For the past several months, I have posted a weekly horserace. Inevitably, should Palin not get mentioned the angry horde of cultists come out of the wood work offended that Sarah Palin did not get included. If I included her and dared suggest either she might not run or it might not be a sure thing, the attacks were even more unhinged.

There are many, many good people who support Sarah Palin and feel like they owe it to her to support her given what she has been through — from her shoddy treatment at the hands of Team McCain to an unrelenting press. But these people who have sat and continue to sit patiently and quietly waiting for Sarah Palin to finally make up her mind are starting to get frustrated. And some of them are getting aggravated by and drowned out by The Palin Fan Cult. The cult is full of people with little prominence outside a twitter stream, a few nominal soapboxes imagined to be bigger they they are, and possessing a lot of bile and little grace inside an echo chamber of indecision 2012 dementia. About the only thing this cult lacks are thetans.

Sarah Palin is a great person. She’s a great fighter. She draws in awesome attention and rallies a crowd. She has some terrific and loyal supporters I don’t want to lump in with the loud voices largely now disconnected from political reality. Ron Paul is the same way. But at some point, Sarah Palin has to take some responsibility for her supporters as Ron Paul must for his. Palin’s dragging out the tease on her decision has compounded the problem and we’ve reached a breaking point.

The comparisons to a late Reagan entry in 1980 and late Clinton entry in 1992 are frivolous and false comparisons. While both waited to make it official until November for Reagan and October for Clinton, it was abundantly clear to people even outside their most ardent supporters that they were running. Few outside Palin’s most ardent fans think she is running and, at this point, a sizable majority no longer care.

As Ann Coulter said, “Fish or cut bait.” Governor Palin has teased us long enough. Most of us are tired of it. She has harmed her own entry into the race and now, even if she got in, would only see a modest rise in polling.

There are many still who are ready to get involved, are sitting on the sidelines, and are growing impatient for Sarah Palin to tell us what she’s doing. There are others who are going to have to be deprogrammed.

I’m tired of the tease. But I’m even more tired of the angry cranks and Palin prophets who swear to know her every move and have shown neither ideological nor political moorings in anything other than their hopes and wishes poured into the vessel of their ambition named L. Ron Hubbard Sarah Palin. That’s exactly what many lefties did with Barack Obama. Like Barack Obama, Sarah Palin is just a mortal politician, just a human of the same sinful flesh as the rest of us passing through this place on her way to eternity just like you and me.

We should not set Palin on a pedestal so high she shatters if she falls off, but that’s what her most ardent fans have done. Thanks to Palin’s own conduct, if she does shatter by either not running or running and losing the nomination, the Palin Fan Cult gives me and many others the strong impression they’d rather shatter all the other candidates than have anyone but Palin herself win.

In the process, these people have overshadowed the efforts and desires of many reasonable Palin supporters who are just ready to either vote for Palin or be told of her decision not to run so they can go support someone else.

Enough is enough.


17 posted on 09/07/2011 10:30:33 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven

“We should not set Palin on a pedestal so high she shatters if she falls off, but that’s what her most ardent fans have done.”

Horse hockey. Her most ardent fans are hardly political neophytes and they know the real deal when they see it. But pedestal? No. If she doesn’t run, it will be our loss, but we still need to beat the Zero and hopefully with a conservative, not someone like Mittens. THAT is the reality of life, junior. Go pedal this nonsense somewhere else.


24 posted on 09/07/2011 10:36:39 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Brookhaven
To not bow at the throne of Sarah you get disowned. You get attacked.

This behavior by the Palin camp has been brewing for a long time.

I remember the first time I was personally attacked by a Palin supporter on FR. It was in February of 2010, and I said on a thread that I thought it would be hard for Palin to run for President in 2012 since she resigned from being Governor and didn't serve out her term.

A Palin supporter called me a fag and said that only homos don't support Palin.

I thought, "Wow, that was a little weird. I guess there's kooks in every camp."

Little did we know this would be become a common occurrence with a lot of her supporters.

61 posted on 09/07/2011 11:00:34 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: Brookhaven
Wow, Erick nails it! I, too, had my own road regarding Sarah. When she gave her speech at the 2008 convention, I was electrified! Then, as I saw her doing interviews and some of her missteps, I though perhaps she was a little green, but after all, she was the VP candidate - she could grow into the job. I still liked what she said and what she stood for.

After the election, I still supported Sarah as a person and as a future presidential candidate. I figured that by 2012, she would have been re-elected as governor and would have had 6 years of executive experience to build a presidential run around.

Then the ethics charges started. They were untrue and unfair, and so Sarah stepped down rather than bankrupt herself and her family. I understood, but I was disappointed that she would not get the experience she needed to be ready to run in 2012.

Then Sarah seemed to go the celebrity route. She had her reality TV show, her Fox News gig, her Facebook page, her books. I had no problem with any of that - I bought "Going Rogue" as soon as it came out, and I signed up with her Facebook page. Based on her actions, I assumed she was going to take the Reagan path - spend her time working for the party, fully develop her political philosophy, and find some way to add to her resume - run for the Senate, serve in a cabinet post, something like that. Then, after a few more years, she would be ready to try again. Remember that Reagan waited 8 years after his first attempt to try running for the presidency again - during that time, he served 6 more years as governor.

When it became clear that Sarah was seriously considering a run this time around, I began to back off. This was long before Perry was in the race, and I wasn't sure who I would support (just not Huntsman, Paul or Romney). I don't think she has a broad enough base of support, her negatives are still too high, and I don't think she has enough experience for the job. Until recently, my attitude was that I would support her if she got the nomination, but I didn't think she could make it that far.

But then came my experience with the Palinistas. These are the people like Brices, Diogenesis, South40, Red South, et al. They go around to every thread about another candidate just to trash that candidate, and they threaten to have a poster banned if they dare come onto a Palin thread and say anything negative about her. They truly behave in a cultish fashion. They can't just support their candidate and try to persuade you why she would be the right choice - they try to destroy any opposing candidates and any of their supporters. Instead of broadening Palin's appeal, they are chasing away the very people they would need to support her if she won the nomination.

So, sadly, I have now gone from the point where, while I didn't think Sarah was the best choice this cycle and I didn't think she could win, but I would support her if she got the nomination; to where I will actively oppose her nomination, and if she wins the nomination I will sit the election out. And it is because I don't want her supporters anywhere near the levers of power. If this is the type of supporter she inspires, then that says a lot of negative things about her candidacy as well.

88 posted on 09/07/2011 11:21:16 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Brookhaven
To paraphrase Ann, a lot of us fell in love with Sarah Palin because of her enemies and a lot of us have fallen out of love with Sarah Palin because of her fans.

Okay, that I completely understand. And it's not just Sarah Palin or Ron Paul, either.

When we on the Right start engaging in worshipping a human being, we're on extremely thin ice. Pat Buchanan's name should be included on this list (I know he isn't running for anything yet he was and still is worshipped, too).

Why must this behavior destroy us and our gathering places? What exactly do we win? Last time I checked, destruction is not productive.

Don't say "worshipping" is too strong a word. When not one negative thing can be stated about someone without a loyal herd pouncing on you, it's worshipping.

Period.


Where there's a shell, there's a way.

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

Or you can get raw with these strings. Either way, the violin is sweet yet lethal.

Do it!

151 posted on 09/07/2011 12:15:40 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: Brookhaven

Ann is entertaining but has become something of a self-promoting sideshow. Who would you vote for - Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter (were she to try to run anything but her mouth)?


154 posted on 09/07/2011 12:20:19 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation now!)
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To: Brookhaven; All
a few nominal soapboxes imagined to be bigger they they are

I wonder who he is talking about?

203 posted on 09/07/2011 1:33:46 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Brookhaven

This creep complains about being attacked, even while admitting he and his ilk have been savaging Palin for months?


230 posted on 09/07/2011 4:05:48 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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