Posted on 07/29/2011 3:28:00 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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I agree with this.
It was all planned. Many on this forum predicted this. How did we know this? We have seen it before.
All of these meetings, etc. to try to persuade people to vote for these bills is crap. The whole thing has been orchestrated between Obama and the party (both of them) leaders. The hardest thing for them to do was to figure out how to make it look like they were actually acomplishing something. Unfortunately the Tea Partiers fell for it hook, line and sinker. At least I hope that is the case and not that they were in on the whole charade also, but I think that might actually be the case with some of them. The only real solution I see is to drop the Republicrats totally and start a REAL Conservative Party.
Way to surrender! Nice job.
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Yeah, that’s it, I surrendered.
Nonsense.
Pass Boehner’s new, changed bill.
Conquer the MSM by going over their heads to reach the people.
In 2012 election write another bill for C,C, & B because you can’t control future congresses...when we OWN THE SENATE, then we get the real change.
We keep on this purist path right now, Obama wins and makes us look like those who hurt the people.
Unfortunately, most are are simply purists, not pragmatist purists. I am the latter because of political realities. Small steps get it done no matter how drastic the steps required seem.
Am I as angry at the dems and Obama as you? You bet.
The new Boehner bill that was improved by the Tea Partiers ultimately will solidify our side’s bonds...I would have liked to have seen 100% voting for it, however.
Paul (KY), DeMint (SC), Lee (UT), Vitter (LA), Hatch (UT), Graham (SC) voted to table the Boehner bill in the Senate.
Hatch stays even with Chaffetz & Graham follows his SC House members.
Thanks!
Demint is great, but is a purist in this. Hatch, Vitter, Graham are all up for re-election I believe and are trying to appear conservative. They are turds.
My Senator Paul (KY) is a purist also. He is sticking to his guns and making me proud of him!
I haven’t been able to say that about a Senator in a long time.
After the CR debacle (no savings/cuts realized) & after the House Tea Partiers get rolled on the debt ceiling, what happens when October 1 arrives (starts FY12) & the Senate still hasn’t passed a budget?
After the CR debacle (no savings/cuts realized) & after the House Tea Partiers get rolled on the debt ceiling, what happens when October 1 arrives (starts FY12) & the Senate still hasn’t passed a budget?
“twelve people deciding”
The 12 disciples’ politburo. And what if there’s a tie? The Chairman ‘messiah’ gets to tie break?
Interesting question...if there’s a stalemate...then they do no better than the congressional leadership. And Obama better not have the say to break that stalemate.
“14 trillion dollardebt”
No. Try 16.99. That’s what this is going to be. Not counting any rise in interest rate on the debt.
Uh? 16.99? How so.
This whole episode has been quite frustrating. For over 40 years, the Republican party has fought a losing battle while holding the majority hand. They fight almost exclusively a rational and dignified battle against a radical minority party, the Democrats. However, the Democrats like other radical minority parties of the past in other countries use tactics that work. The truth and ethics are of no relevance to their tactics—they control the media (see DiMaggio and Powell’s explanation of institutional control), use a few devastating lies that frighten people who have been made dependent on Soc Sec and Medicare (or welfare payments of other kinds—see Reyna and Brainerd’s explanation of how humans decide), and control education (kids through college—again, see DiMaggio and Powell). When you add the amount of money they automatically gather through forced union dues, the wealthy (Gates, Buffett, and the like), and a few industries (e.g., Wall Street) and you have an unstoppable force. The could represent a tiny percentage of the population but these factors are central to political power and they dominate them.
Arguing that spending is too great or the debt too high is wasted words—few people understand what that means to them personally and even those who do understand the consequences—well, those consequences are later and they are enjoying themselves as things are now (see Reyna & Brainerd, again).
The Democrats have watched the Republicans make extremely modest attempts at rational budget legislation and happily watched their media savage and misrepresent the Republicans. Meanwhile, the Democrats never advanced their own legislative proposals and never felt a need to — the public’s perception was always going to be shaped by the information they received (from the media; if you don’t get other information you can’t have any other perspective) and a simple fear of potential loss (such as Soc Sec, as threatened by the Democrats). Of course, some rich folk might get hit with higher taxes but the public believes they are isolated from any negative effect on them, personally. They have no way of knowing otherwise.
The Tea Party people have no leadership, no large financial backing, and no organization to wield influence. This appeals to some people but ultimately makes them weak against powerful political forces—the result being they are ridiculed in the media and by the powerful political forces. Remarkably, the Tea Party has a voice because of the widespread popularity of their common sense ideas. However, their political effect is still limited for the reasons I note.
Until the Republicans, or Tea Party members, or conservatives can get information to people in the way people understand information, their efforts will be ineffective. Right or wrong, it doesn’t matter.
I just had to complain a bit. Thanks for tolerating these words.
I’m amazed that Manchin’s saying that after he’s caved on all the other promises I heard out of his sorry a$$ to get to the Senate to take over KKK Byrd’s seat.
Remember all that BS about opposing Obozo on Cap and Trade, and National Healthcare. “I won’t be a rubber stamp for Obama”, my a$$, I’ll believe it when I see it. He’s not voting for them because Reid told him not to. How much you want to bet he votes for Reid’s piece of crap. He’ll make up some country sounding sound bite to fool the Home Folks, and they’ll believe him like they did Byrd all those years.
This just appears to escape the liberal mind entirely.
The federal reserve is a private banking cabal running our money and herding Americans in any ****** direction the elites so choose. Time for them to go.
Just wait til the "Super Twelve" has there say where the money does and does not go!
As I see it our Government is a huge money laundering machine...and all used to benefit politicians and those supporting them...both here in the USA and on the International Stage. We have plenty of revenue to more than sustain this country.....stop supporting overseas countries and let them do their own dang nation building!
I don’t know much about the guy....so interesting to hear what you’ve stated.
Do the receipts include money borrowed?
What the ‘three amigo slugs’ are doing is trying to appear vital to holding back the democrat debacle. Hatch and Graham in particular are pretend conservatives. They want to appear crucial as votes to oppose the Reid kleptocracy, but they don’t actually try to stop heinous Harry, especially when Reid buys them off or someone threatens to out them.
The last section of the bill.....
“TITLE IV—PUBLIC DEBT
SEC. 401. PUBLIC DEBT.
Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking the dollar limitation contained in that subsection and inserting ‘$16,994,000,000,000’.”
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