At Picnic for Black Mormons, No Sign of Church’s Biased Past (NY Times Mormon Hate on Cue)

NY Times ^ | 6/11/11 | Mark Oppenheimer

[Titus-Maximus]

COTTONWOOD HEIGHTS, Utah — On Christmas Day in 1964, the day before Darius A. Gray was to be baptized as a Mormon, he learned that the church would not allow a black man, like him, to be in the priesthood.

“I was not amused,” Mr. Gray recalled with a rueful smile.

It was last Saturday, and we were sitting with about 300 other Mormons, including dozens of children, at the annual picnic of the Genesis Group, a social organization for black Mormons and their friends. Some were Latino or American Indian, and nearly half were white, the parents and siblings of adopted black children. It was the most racially integrated church event I had ever attended.

Having been introduced to Mormonism by kindly white neighbors in his hometown of Colorado Springs, the teenage Darius read his way through much of the scripture of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He had no idea about the racist church policy. His newfound faith was badly shaken.

“I went home and prayed,” Mr. Gray said. “And I received a personal revelation, an inspiration from God: ‘This is the restored Gospel, and you are to join.’ So the next day, I entered into the waters of baptism. Then the next day I went to church as a member for the first time.” And a little girl addressed him using a certain racial epithet. That was a first, too.

[MHGinTN]

Well, perhaps if you could show me one or two posts where Elsie personally attacks a Mormon or Mormons, we would have something to discuss, but I wouldn't want you to get in trouble for trying to make this personal. Which Momron did Elsie attack? We could then point to that and ask him, "Are you trying to make this personal?"

i read lots of opposition to Mormonism, which is a heretical look-alike to Christianity, but I wasn't aware there were personal attacks being posted.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Stop making this personal!

[MHGinTN]

Are we havin' fun yet? ;^) Think we should ping Elsie?

[Elsie]

At least I am just pounding the keyboard...

[Elsie]

Mr. Elsie personally attacks Mormons.

Prove it.

[Elsie]

Mr. Elsie believes in cut-and-pasting hateful anti-Mormon screeds.

Right off the LDS printing presses!

[Elsie]

I believe in freedom of religion.

Except for Mr. Elsie's.

[Elsie]

Stop making this personal!

Dang!

Where did I put my...

[Elsie]

On Christmas Day in 1964, the day before Darius A. Gray was to be baptized as a Mormon, he learned that the church would not allow a black man, like him, to be in the priesthood.

“I was not amused,” Mr. Gray recalled with a rueful smile.

[Elsie]

2 Nephi 5:21
‘And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.’

Alma 3:6
‘And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.’

[Elsie]

A happy tangle of young children played in the park’s playground — short Afros, cornrows, fine blond hair — taking breaks to eat hot dogs and hamburgers and drink lemonade, but not caffeinated soda, this being a Mormon event.

Dang!

Yet ANOTHER man-made rule from the MORMONs.

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Yes little Johnny; they WERE disobeying their GOD and eating MEAT!

[Elsie]

Are we havin' fun yet? ;^) Think we should ping Elsie?

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #5.
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

(Is it working yet?)

[Elsie]

I can just see your eyes bugging out and spittle coming out of the side of your mouth as you pound the keyboard.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Except for Mr. Elsie's.

I didn't know anti-Mormonism was a religion, Ms. Elsie.

[Elsie]

Mr. Elsie believes in cut-and-pasting hateful anti-Mormon screeds.

I didn't know anti-Mormonism was a religion, Ms. Elsie.

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Can't get a grip on gender,
Can't tell whether a BELIEF is a religion:
What's a fella to do?

[Elsie]

I believe in freedom of religion.

What's next?

Claiming you believe in freedom of speech?

[Elsie]

What's up with the MEAT thing, anyway??

Glad you asked; Oh Seeker of Truth...

(Check out verses 12-13)

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 89

 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

 

1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.

 

  1 A ^aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the ^aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and ^bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

  3 Given for a principle with ^apromise, adapted to the capacity of the ^bweak and the weakest of all ^csaints, who are or can be called saints.

  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of ^aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of ^bconspiring men in the last days, I have ^cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

  5 That inasmuch as any man ^adrinketh ^bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, ^apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

  7 And, again, ^astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

  8 And again, tobacco is not for the ^abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome ^aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with ^aprudence and ^bthanksgiving.

  12 Yea, ^aflesh also of ^bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used ^csparingly;

  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be ^aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or ^bfamine.

  14 All ^agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

  15 And ^athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

  16 All grain is good for the ^afood of man; as also the ^bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ^ashall receive ^bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

  19 And shall ^afind ^bwisdom and great ^ctreasures of ^dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

  20 And shall ^arun and not be ^bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the ^adestroying angel shall ^bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

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[Elsie]

If your motives were pure, it's Muslims you'd be most offended by. But Muslims kill their critics, and Mormons don't, so cowards find it much safer to attack them instead.

Poor ol' EPU: a mindreader that is fact challenged - what a combination.

[Elsie]

Elsie: The LDS religious organization SWEARS that IT is the RESTORED church - the TRUE Christian church - just the way JESUS founded it.

EPU: So do Muslims, in triplicate.

ALL: DANG! That is SURE news to us!

[Elsie]

Chances are that they (radical islam) would trample the LDS faith under their faith had they the power to do so.

Didja SEE what MORMONism 'trampled' in post #46?