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Dems in weak spot on debt
SF Examiner ^ | 5/24/11 | Conn Carroll

Posted on 05/24/2011 2:03:01 AM PDT by markomalley

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner announced May 16 that the U.S. government has reached its legal debt limit, and that he had to dip into federal pensions to meet the country’s obligations. And if Republicans stick to their demands for major spending cuts, Geithner is going to have to start getting even more creative. It wasn’t supposed to go like this.

When Democrats decided to pass on raising the nation’s $14.29 trillion debt limit during the 111th Congress’ lame duck session this December, the game plan for the 112th Congress was simple: scare “responsible” Republicans into voting to raise the debt limit, just as they were scared into voting for TARP. This would both negate charges that Democrats were the only party raising the country’s debt, and drive a wedge between Republican leaders in Congress and their tea party base.

At first, everything seemed to go according to plan. Geithner sent a scary letter to Congress warning of a financial crisis worse than 2008 if the debt limit was not raised before March 31. Republican congressional leaders even acknowledged that the debt limit had to be raised.

But the White House then made two mistakes: It believed its own news releases and underestimated the lessons of TARP. The two are related.

Many on the left seemed to actually believe the predictions of doom in Geithner’s first letter to Congress. Geithner claimed failure to raise the debt limit would force the Treasury Department “to default on legal obligations of the United States” causing “long-term negative impact on U.S. creditworthiness.” Geithner claimed, “Because Treasuries represent the benchmark borrowing rate for all other sectors, default would raise all borrowing costs … leading to reductions in spending and investment, which would cause job losses and business failures on a significant scale.”

But this reasoning assumes that markets treat all financial obligations equally. They don’t.

The other big mistake the Obama administration made was to forget how much skepticism TARP created in Congress about claims that the sky is falling. A number of incumbent senators (such as Utah Republican Bob Bennett) were forcibly retired by voters because they acted unquestioningly on such fears. As a result, the 112th Congress has a much stronger spine. And Geithner hasn’t helped matters by constantly shifting the date the world would end — beginning with March, then July, and now August.

The left’s response to this unexpected conservative resolve has been to call Republicans hostage takers. Paul Krugman is advising Obama to call the Republicans’ bluff and make them start shooting hostages. There is just one problem. Obama is the one holding the gun.

As the Government Accountability Office has certified, Geithner has complete authority over how to prioritize federal government payments. Over the next year, the U.S. government will have more than enough tax revenue to make interest payments on the debt, send out Social Security checks and pay the troops. The only reason the U.S. would ever default on its debt or miss a Social Security check would be because Geithner chose to fund other priorities instead.

Obama’s resulting bargaining position is quite weak. If he wants to raise the debt ceiling, he has only two alternatives — sign off on severe Republican spending cuts or on severe spending cuts by Geithner.

All this could have avoided by raising the debt limit when Democrats had control of Congress back in December. They thought they were being clever by forcing Republicans to buy in. They appear to have miscalculated.


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: debt; dems; geithner; impeachobama; impeachonama; mediabias; mediacoversdnc; nwo; obamacarter; obamahatesamerica; obamatoast; obamatraitor; turbotaxtimmy
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1 posted on 05/24/2011 2:03:03 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

SShhhh—msm is praying THIS story goes nowhere.


2 posted on 05/24/2011 2:34:36 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like With Trump in attendance, Owhat you say))
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To: markomalley
...and that he had to dip into federal pensions to meet the country’s obligations

1. Is there a law that gives him this authority?
2. How much do you want to bet that Congressional pensions are safe and secure?

3 posted on 05/24/2011 2:41:04 AM PDT by hattend (Obama is better than OJ... He found a killer while on the golf course.)
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To: markomalley

More Obamanation big mistakes. This doofus gets more swings (unaccountable) at the ball than a little leaguer playing tee ball.


4 posted on 05/24/2011 4:06:57 AM PDT by Heuristic Hiker
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To: Heuristic Hiker

The end is near. Tim Geitner / Rev. Camping


5 posted on 05/24/2011 4:47:52 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Wealth = Net Worth ...........Income = Net Work!)
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To: markomalley
Obama does not intend to follow the law. Geithner will sell the bonds in violation of the law, and the mainstream press will give him a pass and show their outrage against those who actually want to follow the law.
6 posted on 05/24/2011 5:06:53 AM PDT by BealNoortz
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To: markomalley
..The only reason the U.S. would ever default on its debt or miss a Social Security check would be because Geithner chose to fund other priorities instead....
 
Exactly.

7 posted on 05/24/2011 5:16:13 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So
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To: markomalley; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”When Democrats decided to pass on raising the nation’s $14.29 trillion debt limit during the 111th Congress’ lame duck session this December, the game plan for the 112th Congress was simple: scare “responsible” Republicans into voting to raise the debt limit, just as they were scared into voting for TARP. This would both negate charges that Democrats were the only party raising the country’s debt, and drive a wedge between Republican leaders in Congress and their tea party base. At first, everything seemed to go according to plan. Geithner sent a scary letter to Congress warning of a financial crisis worse than 2008 if the debt limit was not raised before March 31. Republican congressional leaders even acknowledged that the debt limit had to be raised. But the White House then made two mistakes: It believed its own news releases and underestimated the lessons of TARP....The other big mistake the Obama administration made was to forget how much skepticism TARP created in Congress about claims that the sky is falling. A number of incumbent senators (such as Utah Republican Bob Bennett) were forcibly retired by voters because they acted unquestioningly on such fears. ...Obama’s resulting bargaining position is quite weak. If he wants to raise the debt ceiling, he has only two alternatives — sign off on severe Republican spending cuts or on severe spending cuts by Geithner.

Yep, over at MSNBC the progressives kept repeating how the crossing the debt limit would bring on a great depression and that Republicans would get the blame for it, much like the 1994 shutdown. A number were predicting the the liberals(progressives) in congress could themselves hold out for concessions, that Boehner would have to look for Democrats to vote to pass the extension so he wouldnt get the blame for it.

8 posted on 05/24/2011 5:28:14 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: stocksthatgoup

“Rev Camping”. Harold Camping is not ordained, and is no more a preacher or reverend than Geitner is an effective economist. You are certainly correct in observing that both of them do share the same defective ability to read tea leaves in their chosen fields of non-expertise.


9 posted on 05/24/2011 5:50:12 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: markomalley
Geithner claimed failure to raise the debt limit would force the Treasury Department “to default on legal obligations of the United States” causing “long-term negative impact on U.S. creditworthiness.”

This was promptly proven wrong when S&P changed the US credit rating outlook to "negative" precisely because it felt that US debt was out of control.

10 posted on 05/24/2011 5:50:28 AM PDT by kidd
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“Over the next year, the U.S. government will have more than enough tax revenue to make interest payments on the debt, send out Social Security checks and pay the troops. The only reason the U.S. would ever default on its debt or miss a Social Security check would be because Geithner chose to fund other priorities instead.

Sound like Foreign obligations can be paid. Grandma and Grandpa can be paid. Soldiers can be Paid.

NO Reason for the Republican Congress to Increase the Debt. Reduce Spend or Shut down the Government.

BHO is your move.


11 posted on 05/24/2011 6:01:09 AM PDT by Bailee
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To: markomalley

Boehner’s strategy should be to make the Dems go first and own the debt issue.

Let’s all hope Boehner is savvy enough to sit on his hands; he has been so far.


12 posted on 05/24/2011 6:10:55 AM PDT by IamConservative (I'll walk a mile in your shoes. Then I will be a mile away from you and have a new pair of shoes.)
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To: stocksthatgoup
Obama’s resulting bargaining position is quite weak. If he wants to raise the debt ceiling, he has only two alternatives — sign off on severe Republican spending cuts or on severe spending cuts by Geithner.

I never knew it was an option for Barry to have his buddy Tim make the budgets cuts (Defense) rather than Congress. I wonder who Barry will choose?

13 posted on 05/24/2011 6:29:24 AM PDT by Heuristic Hiker
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To: sickoflibs
This is all starting to become very interesting. As I watched some of those House of Rep. Committee meetings a few months back Geithner appeared to have even won over most of the Republicans sitting on the Finance Committee, as to his good intentions. Lots of smiles among everyone. No one seemed to challenge his proposals at that time as how to get spending under control.
Then bingo. The issue that they all knew, or should have known, for crying out loud one only has to look at the CBO, and other reports last year, made it clear things where going to hit the fan.
I maintain they already had hit the fan just from the perspective of the total Federal Taxes projected to be collected verse the spending budget. And we had the already huge spiraling GND, so close as equaling the GNP alone with other key indicators, not looking anywhere safe.
These people knew for the past few years just how serious things where going to get. Especially with a failing economy, getting even worse.
Now the truth is hard to hide. And The Fed Chairmen and his crony Secretary of Treasury are going to be on the hot seat. Which they rightfully deserve.
14 posted on 05/24/2011 7:09:26 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: markomalley

Democrats being forced to make major cuts in spending is like vampires being dragged into the sunlight.


15 posted on 05/24/2011 8:49:23 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
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To: sickoflibs
Yep, over at MSNBC the progressives kept repeating how the crossing the debt limit would bring on a great depression and that Republicans would get the blame for it, much like the 1994 shutdown. A number were predicting the the liberals(progressives) in congress could themselves hold out for concessions, that Boehner would have to look for Democrats to vote to pass the extension so he wouldnt get the blame for it.

I think many are missing a key point of this, the Dems still fear the label "tax and spend". I believe that part of this was intended to force the Republicans to raise taxes. While the Dems could have forced through Tax increases in the Lame Duck session, they would have owned the tax increases, look at what happened with the extension of the "Bush Tax Cuts".

16 posted on 05/24/2011 1:44:36 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.
[Zero] has only two alternatives -- sign off on severe Republican spending cuts or on severe spending cuts by Geithner.

17 posted on 05/24/2011 8:27:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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RE :”I think many are missing a key point of this, the Dems still fear the label “tax and spend”. I believe that part of this was intended to force the Republicans to raise taxes. While the Dems could have forced through Tax increases in the Lame Duck session, they would have owned the tax increases, look at what happened with the extension of the “Bush Tax Cuts”.

In fact the Democrats could have raised taxes on ‘the rich’ anytime in the two years 2009-2010. That only required 50 Democrat senators (plus Biden) and they had 59. They could have raised them while still losing 9 of their own Senators but didnt. But they talk like raising taxes on the rich will fix everything : deficits, entitlements, jobs, world peace, cure cancer, end hunger, ....but they wouldn't do it when they easily could.

Democrats staging a big loss on raising taxes was a much better political play for them than raising taxes. Hell, if they raised taxes on ‘the rich’ in 2009 then later after the economy sputtered out mid 2010, which it did anyway (when the stimulus money ran out) even without the tax increases, Republicans would have a winning message on taxes now: "Democrats tax increases killed the economy.". Democrats knew they couldn't let that happen.

By a staged 'losing' on tax increases Democrats can throw around all the above silly arguments for tax increases, and what arguments do Republicans have? They have the economy and deficits under Bush. That is a tough sell, except with Rush's loyal audience.

18 posted on 05/25/2011 5:43:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: IamConservative
"Let’s all hope Boehner is savvy enough to sit on his hands; he has been so far."

I'm not a big fan of Boner, but he is doing things right here. Sitting on his hands and keeping his mouth shut.

He is simply standing pat and refusing to argue...so far.

19 posted on 05/25/2011 8:42:44 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: sickoflibs
”I think many are missing a key point of this, the Dems still fear the label “tax and spend”.

Dems fear "the label" - they don't fear taxing ans spending.

Luckily the press is in their pocket so they don't have to worry much about the truth getting out --- except for FOX, talk radio, FreeRepublic, and the Internet.

20 posted on 05/25/2011 8:59:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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