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Survivalists: Are you part of the new subculture?
KFOR ^ | 5/6/11 | Ali Meyer

Posted on 05/06/2011 8:20:22 PM PDT by Kartographer

At Red Dawn: Hunting, Survival, Recreation, they specialize in homesteading, emergency preparedness and first-aid.

Owner Gaylon Cornsilk first dreamed up this concept about a year ago.

The doors have been open just six months and business has exploded.

Cornsilk says, "This was kinda born out of a passion to see people prepared for any kind of emergency, natural or man-made. We are growing exponentially everyday. Obviously there's an air of people starting to notice and want to prepare for what's going on around them."

Donna Harper manages the store's long-term storage food section.

Some of the pre-packaged emergency food rations last five to 25 years; the rations sell out so quickly they cannot keep enough on premises.

(Excerpt) Read more at kfor.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; cwii; economy; emergencyprep; preppers; prepping; preps; shtf; survival; survivalping; teotwawki; tshtf
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Things haven’t changed much if you read some of the post here there are several FReepers who would drop a dime on you in a minute that or rob you of your stores.


101 posted on 05/07/2011 7:55:06 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Eska

hear ya on the wood heating.
We cut our propane bill down 1,000 bucks a year by going to the woods < with property owner permission of course> to cut the fallen tree’s for our fire wood.
Yeah, it’s work but that xtra 1000+ bucks in our pocket was priceless ~


102 posted on 05/07/2011 8:01:43 AM PDT by simplesimon (I coined O'Pukeface back in '08. If I have to see his mug one more time...I'm gunna puke ~)
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To: Ladysforest

Another thought I shared with “She Who Must Be Obeyed” the other day. An easy way to stash some extra water for emergencies.

Most chain grocery stores have the 5 gallon polycarb water bottle exchanges. $14 for a new full jug. $7 with exchange. This water is good for something like 12-18 months I think. Buy two and once a year dump the water and get new refills. $14 a year. Or more if you want to up it.


103 posted on 05/07/2011 8:04:23 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Exactly. It is not possible to think through and provide for EVERY possible scenario.

However I view at least a minimal amount of preparedness as being necessary to provide me with OPTIONS that I otherwise might not have had.


104 posted on 05/07/2011 8:07:57 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: simplesimon
Living along the Upper Yukon, it gets cold about Jan-Feb; always get 3 weeks minus 65 at 6 am. We have 2400 sq ft cabin and heat bunch of empty space (high ceilings driving me nuts), we go through 10-12 cord from Sept to May. I can walk out back door, go literally 250 miles in any direction, nothing but birch, spruce, and mnts. So everybody has a wood trail out back, we get our wood once we have a good hard trail for snowmachines. I can load up 4-5 birch trees that are 12 inches at base in my wood sled and skandic pulls it all home. I get maybe 40-50 loads a winter, one a day when I have time; my winter exercise. I easily have 20 cord stacked and covered at all times. Me really likes spending time in the woods, see lynx, moose, marten, even have come up on wolverine on my trail. Wolves use it too, and once I stop baiting my bear barrel, the bear follow my atv tracks towards the house too, ha. They must wonder why the goodies have stopped and come looking to find where I live. Dogs at house always run them off when they wind them.

There's just so much everybody can do to be more efficient & cut costs, thus allowing more bucks to go for toys, savings, or whatever.

No joke, fuel is quite expensive in rural Alaska, but we don't use nearly as much as urban people use. It's $4.60 a gallon here now but I don't go through $150/month in fuel and most of it goes into atvs, snowmachines. Common for us to put 2k miles a winter on snowmachines.

We mostly use stihls out here, everybody buys 250's. Last year I picked up a 260 pro, like almost 600 bucks; so much more the saw than 250 stihl; better built, will last a lifetime; get one with the money you save.

105 posted on 05/07/2011 8:28:25 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yea, I wouldn’t put it past our government to do such a thing. Especially if they did that back then, disgusting by the way. I’m sick of busy body government sticking it’s big ugly nose in my bidness. If I remember correctly it was also illegal to have gold coins.


106 posted on 05/07/2011 8:55:16 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: FreedomPoster

When my wife and I sold our last place our number 1 concern was water. The place we bought 12 years ago is 6 acres sitting between 2 year round streams and has 3 fulltime springs feeding small ponds and a thirty foot well. Compared to our last place which was 80 acres on the high plains with an 850 foot well into the Ogallalla aquifer. I sleep better at night knowing I’ve got a good source for water.


107 posted on 05/07/2011 9:34:02 AM PDT by Graneros ("Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“Still, I think $1k is a worthy goal. And one that most people who could meet it, won’t. My nephew and spouse are always tight for money, yet she regularly stops at Starbucks on the way to work.”

I think it’s a good amount also, it will be tougher for people to strive for now with everything jumping in price. Although it would probably have to be kept in cash - in a natural disaster the banks would be closed of course. Heck, even half that would go a really long way in the short term.

Most people, including the well prepped, would be helped out by a bit of a stash - city dwellers especially. The type that only eat “fresh” daily, and never have more than an organic yogurt occupying their fridge.

The last time we had a big flood here, there were whole sections of the local villages and towns that were completely closed down. Most businesses were flooded and had their doors closed for weeks. LOL - I remember getting annoyed about a week and a half after the flood because a McDonalds the next town over was still closed! I just wanted coffee.......(I can’t see paying starbucks prices)


108 posted on 05/07/2011 9:44:53 AM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest
Although it would probably have to be kept in cash

That's what I meant. When we had the ice storm winter before last, where there was no power you couldn't conduct transactions without cash in some areas. And it's not hard to conceive of a scenario where an entire city could be without power.

I highly recommend everyone here watch an old movie. Panic in the Year Zero (1962). Ray Milland.

109 posted on 05/07/2011 12:35:48 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: PA Engineer
Thank you! Yes, they are pricey and good. ;-)

We only have a cheap one-wire now, which needs to be sealed before mounting. IIRC, the temperature sensor also needs to be shaded, etc. It will be connected through a small NetBSD system for data set collection and transmission to the Net. The weather here will probably beat it down pretty quickly. In the meantime, we'll shop for something nicer, including the bookmark for the Davis units.

We're building a small, shielded, passively cool (less pex tubing in the closet, adjustable high and low wall vents, north side) server closet into the place to facilitate low maintenance, durability and modifications (home-built racks for boards and RAID array).

In two or three years, if all else goes well enough, we'll mount some radio equipment, starting with components of most use for this area (high peaks and saddles between home and vehicles). ...either lower frequencies, or higher frequencies that will work well with local repeaters, or both.

We've begun overview study for ham radio, with only some background in basic electronics, computer electronics, construction (small towers for wind turbines and radio antennas, we like building the tilt type) and safety. And yes--welding. ...will begin study for tests after summer. ...might get a kit and build it before long (maybe through ebay or something). We've made some of the easier repairs to appliances a time or two before replacing the appliances (capacitors, output transistors, color circuits--mostly the obvious, easy stuff).

We do our own electrical installs to code. ...just hooked up the well pump, water system (gravity with cistern and regulator at bottom)--off-grid, w/ generator, outdoor inlet and switch on a heavy post next to the wellhead--and about to send the install report to the State. It's slick for a low-tech. install, with monster polyurethaned post, steel conduit between the boxes (using rainproof hub), sch. 80 plastic and UF cable in the ground and ground wire between all boxes to well casing. ...all rainproof.

That and travel trailer modifications (PV, heating, etc.) are the only electrical installations that we don't need to pull permits for, but the inspector will probably ogle power plant for water anyway, when he arrives for inspecting the temporary power plant. He's absolutely strict on code and safety but great with communication and brightly interested in new tech. Reminds me of some of my tech. instructors (engineers).

On gadgets, in case you haven't seen it,...

The MidNite Classic works with the homebuilt wind turbine (derived from Hugh Piggott's Axial Flux design)
http://www.midnitesolar.com/

First MPPT controller for small wind turbines. ...also great for PV electric systems.

The MidNite Clipper should be added to that for wind turbines (or maybe a homebuilt rectifier, diversion, etc.).


110 posted on 05/07/2011 1:57:34 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Tainan

Ping.

I’ll try to remember to ping you to these threads, if you like. Thanks for the pings you sent before.


111 posted on 05/07/2011 1:59:13 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
"The day she arrived, they killed a lamb, boiled it and gave her the innards in honor of her guest status."

LOL! Nasty!

The neighbors who live in a yurt and keep yaks near here would certainly not like what's for dinner in the old country. LOL! I should say "lived in a yurt," as their house appears to be built now (after several years in a yurt).

Yaks appear to do well up here, BTW, although they do require supplemental feed (extremely poor soil and extremely cold weather).


112 posted on 05/07/2011 2:13:17 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Neil E. Wright
"...don't forget your 4 legged friends. You'll need extra for them, too."

Very true. That's a great consideration. And dog food in storage should be kept cool, dry and away from sunlight.


113 posted on 05/07/2011 2:38:38 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: familyop
Sounds like you have a "project list". Someday we can argue whose is bigger. ;-)

Have had the well backup for years. Found the BatterMinders to be both the real thing (desulfation) and a major maintenance saver. We constantly lose power here and discovered about 16 years ago the toilets don't work without power. Am usually good for two days before having to pull out the generator for charging (in a worse case situation have Helios to mount quickly). When the power goes out we just shut off a few breakers and hit the transfer switch over to batteries. Very seamless.

My summer projects will be communications and "hardening". Hardening is an interesting issue because of all the numerous modes of failure. My original concern was antennas (have covered the other service entrances), but realized some of the consumer electronics (large TV for example) is going to be toast. The FETS in the inverters are a continuing concern. I am torn between storing two stackable modified wave inverters or parts. One is expensive and the other time consuming.

I found the CB Project to be interesting and picked up a Galaxy DX2547. I use marine deep cycles for power and the batteryminders for charging when not in use. This is how I have worked around the communication isolation requirements (if the antenna arrestors work. Have extra CAPs if they don't).

Am hoping and believe this is going to be an Argentina style dissent. My final preps will be burying a 500 gallon propane tank and converting one of the older Subarus over to CNG. The propane is for cooking, hot water (very little sun) and drying. We are working towards a throw the switch off grid approach. It is much easier to adapt to the new "normal" with minimal changes in lifestyle.
114 posted on 05/07/2011 2:56:05 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: familyop
LOL! Nasty!

Yeah, she said it was fun eating and acting appreciative at the same time.

That year she lived in Korea, backpacked through all of SE Asia (ate locally, not in hotel restaurants), went to China, Taiwan, and spent a week in Mongolia. To this day she says Mongolia is the one place she would not return to. Said Ulan Bator was so depressing with the 50s and 60s Soviet architecture. Also, the personal property crime in the city was over the top, just about steal the shirt off your back.

115 posted on 05/07/2011 3:11:37 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Kartographer

Making the ASSumption that everything will bounce back to normal next time is as foolhardy as they cone.

This is the type of self-absorbed, spoiled brat who thinks that someone will always be around to bail him out and expects them to do it. Entitlement mentality personified.

These people are going to be the biggest danger and drain on resources going when we see TEOTWAWKI. And I’ll bet he doesn’t even have any marketable skills to trade for food and shelter, but just expects a handout.

He’s got another thing coming if he comes here.


116 posted on 05/07/2011 5:01:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: yup2394871293; Kartographer

Let me guess, you live/lived in New Orleans......


117 posted on 05/07/2011 5:02:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Nope.
118 posted on 05/07/2011 5:14:25 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Eska; ChocChipCookie

And what you seem to fail to realize is how self sufficient people can be even in urban areas.

Living in urban areas doesn’t automatically mean that they can’t cut expenses by hunting, gardening, canning, sewing, heating with wood they get, and you can find it in urban areas.

People in urban areas don’t need two jobs to make it, simply a husband working and wife being thrifty. Your friend’s problems are not a result of where they live so much as HOW they choose to live. Their problem is bad lifestyle choices and lack of self-control in spending.

Your attitude is pretty snotty.


119 posted on 05/07/2011 5:17:25 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Hey no offense but I live in the Alaskan Bush, been living off what the land & river provides for many years and know succinctly the difference of living in a back east rural/urban area and out here in the sticks along the Yukon River.

The biggest problem you face is not canning, stocking up, hunting, or gardening. It's the increased costs that you face concerning taxes (local, state in every form they come), costs of transportation, fees & permits, utilities, vehicles, housing, and most importantly everywhere you look you see a place begging you to come here and spend your hard earned bucks. Most people I know in urban areas have their kids into this and that, wanting to give them more than they had. They are to some extent keeping up with the Joneses and working hard long hours to stay in the game; no joke. My buddy can't figure how we had our place paid off in 8 years, but when I show up in my 1990 ford truck that gets 22mpg, he always asks when I'm getting my antique plates, ha ha; all the while he makes several vehicle payments and wonders where it all goes. I lived that way too once many years back, hard as it is to admit I did too....

You see, it's pretty hard to find a place with no local govt and no taxes other than Fed Income Taxes. I'm 500 miles from the nearest mall or Sams or MacDonalds. So I really do see the difference; way cheaper living where I do than any other place I have lived here in Alaska or the lower 48.

When we first moved here from back east 20 years back, our family saw an immediate savings of around 20K in just state taxes and revenue costs (from Pa to Ak). We thought we were pretty self sufficient back east; boy did the local Indians give me a schoolin on living subsistence, ha; I knew so little. Now we set nets for kings & chums, trotlines for burbot & sheefish, kill a bunch of caribou and a sheep and moose if the Good Lord so sees to it and grow much of what we eat; way more than we ever did back east. But the biggest difference & savings comes from no local govt or taxes and costs buying things at wally world.

Snow is about gone and should start planting tatoes nx weekend if everything drys out. We always put in 400 lb seed taters, get 3500 lb by end of august. Indians help hill them and they always get around 1500 lb. I also send 500 lb upriver to Indians I know from Dawson to OLd Crow. Neighbors get all they need and I always have 1000 lb in basement. We have the biggest garden around and I don't sell a one. In the last year, we have been ordering in paper products, coffee, sugar, things that don't go bad that I can't grow here. Trying to build up a 5 year supply of whatever. Spices & cocoa nx month. I'm bringing in 40 of them fletcher honey hams end of this month from costco; will freeze and last 2 years for soups.

The one thing you are way ahead of me on is the ability to get milk cows from local family farmers. So much more meat on a cow than a moose. 12-15 lbs, 90 minutes, good stuff. Hope that you are already canning meat.

So stop and think how much you spend on taxes, costs, living expenses and then consider if you can decrease them. Good luck and no offense meant.

120 posted on 05/07/2011 6:10:15 PM PDT by Eska
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