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Earth to birthers: the facts about Obama’s birth certificate
The Daily Caller ^ | 02/16/2011 | Jonathan Strong

Posted on 02/16/2011 7:38:10 AM PST by Rational Thought

A new poll shows just over half of likely Republican primary voters question where President Obama was born. What’s up with “birtherism” and why does it have such staying power?

The evidence shows Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama released a “Certification of Live Birth,” a document produced by the state of Hawaii certifying the state holds records that a person was born there.

Further, two Hawaiian newspaper announcements from 1961 tell of Obama’s birth. Janice Okubo, a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, told the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2009 that such newspaper announcements were based on notifications from the Health Department, which received information directly from hospitals.

The certification of live birth Obama released is legally sufficient documentation to apply for a U.S. passport, but it’s not the same thing as a “long form” birth certificate, called a “Certificate of Live Birth” in Hawaii. That document is issued by hospitals and includes additional information not on the certification.

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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; blainewashington; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; samemediapropaganda
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To: Herbster

I’ve read comments from a couple of people on FR - maybe you were one of them? - that did hear an exchange between 0bummer and Keyes about 0bummer not being eligible for President. Apparently it was in between or after the “official” debate. Were you one of the people that heard and saw this?


201 posted on 02/16/2011 8:13:35 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: rolling_stone; curiosity

202 posted on 02/16/2011 8:18:20 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: jamese777
That is an interesting account. Barbara Nelson claims to have had dinner with the doctor who delivered Barack Obama on the very day he was born.

Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls. His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.” The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

The thing that makes the story so interesting is that the birth certificate that is offered as 'authentic' states plainly that Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. which would be at about the same time she claimed she was having dinner with the delivery doctor.

203 posted on 02/16/2011 8:20:40 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: melancholy

Lol! You’re on a roll. Next you’ll tel me you’re a deeply underground DU mole, spying on Doubters, a.k.a. Birthers. The walls have ears!

Well it’s too late; we’re all Birthers now. With the exception of BOR and toad blossom, or whatever the has-been Rove is called.

Face it, you backed the wrong horse, Professor A. Your protege is doing down—and taking the Dem Party with him. Hosta la vista, trolls. You’ll all face IRS audits in the coming administration. snicker snicker.

[Oops, just remembered my grade. It’s circling the bowl, isn’t it? Oh well; maybe I can retake the course in 2012, and ace it then. ;) ]


204 posted on 02/16/2011 8:22:44 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: little jeremiah; cookcounty

He authorized them to do post the - well, whatever it was they posted.


“Fight the Smears” was an Obama campaign website.


205 posted on 02/16/2011 8:22:51 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: dinodino; curiosity

Anecdotal. I’ve also seen comments from a few prominent Democrats on the topic.

You can pretend that this controversy is restricted to the right fringe of the Republican Party, but you’re just sticking your head in the sand. Many, many people now believe that something is wrong here.

I dont know where you live, but I now see quite a few Birther bumper stickers


Just click on over to Hillbuzz, there aren’t many conservatives there. They cover the birther issues as well.


206 posted on 02/16/2011 8:28:12 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hoodat; jamese777

The thing that makes the story so interesting is that the birth certificate that is offered as ‘authentic’ states plainly that Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. which would be at about the same time she claimed she was having dinner with the delivery doctor.


He must have “telecommuted” that evening.


207 posted on 02/16/2011 8:33:58 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: jamese777
Ah, RedSteel is playing “have fun with cut and paste!” Just a link would have sufficed.

Actually dingbat, I back up my statements. What you do is spout non sequiturs and cut and paste willy nilly in an attempt to imply things that are not so or to mislead.

So I guess all that verbiage boils down to RedSteel STILL telling us that it’s a waste of time to formally investigate whether Obama committed any criminal acts that would be impeachable offenses because of flaws in the Grand Jury system.

"All that verbiage" proves what I stated before OBot, as to

"Who runs grand juries these days? That would be government prosecutors"

While you spew nonsense as in that I saw some "movie" or something about "cameras and traffic lights" - you are idiot. I can walk the talk.


Who knew that Grand Juries are “one size fits all?”

Grand juries were the fourth branch of government to keep in check corrupt government official who were in the branches, but not so today. To quote the Creighton U. Law Review again:

"The federal courts were quick to uphold the federal rules when it came to deciding matters relating to the grand jury. In almost cyclical logic, the federal courts have claimed in near unison that presentments accusing unindicted persons of crime cannot be allowed, absent judge or prosecutor approval, "past unchallenged practice" notwithstanding.[100] Thus, hundreds of years of grand jury jurisprudence was overthrown by codification.[101]"

Gooberment officials did not like the idea of being investigated for wrong doing by grand juries, therefore, they are now controlled by the prosecutors.

In lieu of a criminal investigation by a skilled prosecutor, let’s roll out a few more civil suits with plaintiffs who don’t have standing so that a few more judges can summarily dismiss those lawsuits. We’re at ninty dismissals as of now.

Hello Obot, an honest judge would let Obama defend his presidency on the merits of his case instead of hiding behind the court doctrine of standing.

208 posted on 02/16/2011 8:39:01 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Fantasywriter
Next you’ll tel me you’re a deeply underground DU mole, spying on Doubters, a.k.a. Birthers. The walls have ears!

Nah, DUers are rightwing nuts compared to the ol' prof.

you backed the wrong horse, Professor A. Your protege is doing down—and taking the Dem Party with him.

My protégé turned to be a horse's ass. Have you ever heard of a homosexual horse? Maybe Penguins, but a horse?

No doubt in my mind that the communist party is going down because nobody is buying their boss's horseshit!

Papa Alinsky, Ph.D. in mares NOT homohorsexuals

209 posted on 02/16/2011 8:41:48 PM PST by melancholy (Papa Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist)
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To: bluecat6; butterdezillion; Beckwith; Ladysforest
At your second link, on 2/13/11, commenter SapphireSunday noted that Stanley Ann had a paternal half-aunt living in Canada in the late 1950s and possibly into the 1960s - named Eleanor Belle Dunham Berkebile; husband in the Air Force, stationed in Canada. Commenter kj replied with a findagrave.com link, which link provided the info that Aunt Eleanor had lived in Washington state prior to her six months' residence in Colorado, before her 2003 death. Being a woman who was having babies during the era of Obama's birth - knowing first hand what the normal proceedures were relating to being close to due-date, and being post-partum - I've not believed Stanley Ann and her newborn were permitted to fly from Hawaii to Seattle, where her presence was confirmed by a friend she visited. Since the fake COLB appeared, I've been pretty much convinced Obie was born somewhere in the Seattle area. So - after many hours of research on Sunday, the following info has pretty much convinced me there was no Hawaiian birth for Obie, and that most likely Grandma provided the verbal song-and-dance-birth-registration. This is basically a repost of my comment at your link: Re: Eleanor Belle Dunham Berkebile and Ralph L. Berkebile: Stanley Armour Dunham's (Obama's 'Gramps') mother died when he was 8 years old. His father married again, and Eleanor was born in 1932 of that marriage - so she was "Gramps'" half-sister. She married Ralph L. Berkebile [aka 'Richard']. He was an Airman 2nd Class stationed with the Air Force in Newfoundland when their twin sons born Jan. 5, 1959 died within a week of their [premature] birth: http/;//www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSvpid=8782453&GRid=34580925& At http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/05/a-new-problem-f.html there is an article about Obama's 'enhancement' story of his grandfather's WWII service, re: liberating a concentration camp. Other military relatives are mentioned in the article - in particular this reference to a veteran's genealogy web site item: "That tree also names includes (sic) two sisters; Eleanor (m. Ralph L.Berkebile - only one in the database enlisted in 1945 in AK)..." So we can piece together that in 1945 Stanley ann's Aunt Eleanor and Uncle Ralph Berkebile lived in Alaska; in 1959 he was stationed/they lived in Newfoundland. Eleanor's obit at http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=34618044 gives her death as Dec. 21, 2003 at Castle Rock, and states she had moved there 6 months previously from Washington State. It also lists some survivors: children Teresea Berkebile, Ralph D. Berkebile and his wife Jaque, and Lorrie A. Berkebile - she of Alaska. Additionally, she is identified as the daughter of Ralph Waldo [Emerson] Dunham - Stanley Ann's grandfather, and Barry Obama's great-grandfather. At http://radaris.com/p/Eleanor/Berkebile ["Find public records at the number 1 people search site!"], known relatives for one Eleanor Berkebile include Lorrie Ann Berkebile, Ralph D. Berkebile, Teresa Marie Berkebile, and Jaque E. Berkebile. So the identity of this listed person is confirmed to be Stanley Ann Dunham Obama's paternal aunt. Also at the above 'radaris.com...' entry is a list of known addresses for Eleanor Belle Dunham Berkebile. There are no reference dates. We know she started her life in Kansas - not listed - so it's apparently 'as an adult' addresses: Maumelle, AR [ where her sister lives], Castle Rock, CO [where she was in a nursing care home when she died]. The interesting sddresses are Bellingham, Washington and Blaine, Washington. Since we know Eleanor had moved to Castle Rock, CO 6 months prior to her 2003 death, it does seem apparent that Eleanor and Ralph stayed in the Pacific Northwest after their Air Force stint was over. All things considered, it's just about impossible to believe anything other than that the pregnant [and unmarried] Stanley Ann was shipped off post-hates to her father's sister - and that Aunt Eleanor's address at the time was Blaine, Washington. The AMAZING thing - the OMG! thing - of this likliest scenario is that the northern boundary line of Blaine, WA is also the southern boundary line of White Rock, Surrey, British Columbia, Canada. They are essentially the same city - like Minneapolis-St.Paul. The 'same city' - in different countries. In 1961 Blaine, WA apparently had no hospital. White Rock, BC, Canada, however, had a hospital - with a meternity ward which opened in 1960: http://www.national post.com/Peace+Arch+Hospital+maternity+ward+expands/4221327/story.html Barry won't/can't produce his long form hospital birth certificate. On which side of that boundary line between Washington and Canada is it most probable he was born? And three weeks later, Stanley Ann hopped on down to Seattle to set up residence and start classes - and visits with her high school friends.
210 posted on 02/16/2011 8:49:14 PM PST by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture.))
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To: Hoodat

That is an interesting account. Barbara Nelson claims to have had dinner with the doctor who delivered Barack Obama on the very day he was born.
Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls. His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.” The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

The thing that makes the story so interesting is that the birth certificate that is offered as ‘authentic’ states plainly that Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. which would be at about the same time she claimed she was having dinner with the delivery doctor.


Sometimes folks have dinner later in the evening.


211 posted on 02/16/2011 9:02:31 PM PST by jamese777
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To: dinodino
You can pretend that this controversy is restricted to the right fringe of the Republican Party,

Yes, I realize it's spread beyond the fringe of the Republic party, much to the detriment of both the GOP and the conservative movement. However, I've seen little evidence to suggest it has spread to voters who are even remotely likely to vote Obama. If and when that happens, Obama will quell the controversy. Until then, it benefits him to divide his opposition by keeping the controversy going.

212 posted on 02/16/2011 9:08:10 PM PST by curiosity
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To: little jeremiah
I’ve read comments from a couple of people on FR - maybe you were one of them? - that did hear an exchange between 0bummer and Keyes about 0bummer not being eligible for President.

The people writing your posts were making it up out of thin air. If Obama had really said it, don't you think Keyes, himself a birther, would be shouting it from the rooftops? And yet Keyes has yet to mention it. Don't you find that at all curious?

213 posted on 02/16/2011 9:10:54 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Red Steel

While you spew nonsense as in that I saw some “movie” or something about “cameras and traffic lights” - you are idiot. I can walk the talk.


But I’m betting that you can’t chew gum at the same time.

Hello Obot, an honest judge would let Obama defend his presidency on the merits of his case instead of hiding behind the court doctrine of standing.

Good attorneys know how to “judge shop” for honest judges who might be more amenable to their issue. I guess birthers haven’t found a good attorney yet.

Good attorneys also know how to find and present plaintiffs who will be granted standing.

Not a single one of the major conservative law firms in America has represented a birther plaintiff. For example, why isn’t Mark Levin’s Landmark Legal Foundation representing Obama ineligibility plaintiffs and doing it “pro bono?”


214 posted on 02/16/2011 9:16:44 PM PST by jamese777
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To: butterdezillion
Mike Evans claimed he had never spoken to Abercrombie nor even claimed to speak to Abercrombie. But the audio is available for anybody to hear. He clearly says he spoke to Abercrombie, and this is a direct quote from Evans: “And he said, ‘Mike, there is no Barack Obama cer, birth certificate.’” So show me the place where Mike Evans admits that he LIED

Liars seldom admit their lies when they are called on them. They make excuses for themselves and try to claim their lies are honest mistakes, just as Evans did.

Seriously, why do you put so much trust in such a two-bit hack?

Who you gonna believe, Evans after he’s been told to change his story, or your lyin’ ears?

I don't believe anything he says, period. He's a proven liar with no credibility.

215 posted on 02/16/2011 9:17:44 PM PST by curiosity
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To: jamese777; Hoodat
Oh no you don't. Not that Buffalo chips woman again who "remembered" because of some scribble on a napkin.

Here is the real story about doctor West who retired in 1956 from delivering babies some five years before OBummer was born. This is a screen grab that was captured about 24 hours or less that contradicts the silly BS story when it first came out:


Hawaii_Doctor West

216 posted on 02/16/2011 9:18:03 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: bushpilot1
Please cite one Supreme Court case..where it was affirmed a natural born Citizen is born to an alien or alien parents

US v. Wong Kim Ark.

217 posted on 02/16/2011 9:19:56 PM PST by curiosity
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To: zeugma; Baynative

Why, you haven’t seen the twin’s long form birth certificates posted, birth at the same time a few day apart???


218 posted on 02/16/2011 9:26:53 PM PST by danamco (-)
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To: jamese777

So Twit, when is a lame/main stream media type going to come out by asking Obama to where he was born, and ask him to authorize the media to see his original birth certificate?

You know Twit, to finally get Obama on record stating he was born in Hawaii instead of having the same stupid talking heads at MSPMSNBC talk among themselves. All this going through a third party from his mouth pieces like Roberta Gibbs is all BS. And moreover, have the Lame Press ask him about all the other associated questions about his hidden past that swirl around the country like his social security numbers?

When is this going to happen OBot? It just that easy so what is the problem with the media?


219 posted on 02/16/2011 9:31:46 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: zeugma

You mean like the “long form” belonging to the Nordyke twins?!
Born 8/5/61 at Kapiolani?
Well, here ya go.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347


220 posted on 02/16/2011 9:43:45 PM PST by blockhead51 (Oust the Evil Socialist Usurper!)
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