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Oil refineries sue EPA over ethanol plan
GOPUSA ^ | January 4, 2011 | Ken Thomas (Associated Press)

Posted on 01/04/2011 8:03:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

WASHINGTON (AP) — A ruling by the Obama administration allowing the sale of gasoline containing 15 percent ethanol is running into legal hurdles from trade groups opposing the plan.

The National Petrochemical and Refiners Association sued the Environmental Protection Agency on Monday over the decision to allow the sale of gasoline containing higher blends of corn-based ethanol, the second major group to protest the ruling.

The Obama administration said in October that gas stations could start selling the ethanol blend for vehicles built since the 2007 model year, increasing it from the current blend of 10 percent ethanol.

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1 posted on 01/04/2011 8:03:17 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: thackney

PING!


2 posted on 01/04/2011 8:03:45 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Just wondering, and I admit I am no petroleum expert here, but how does adding ethanol to gasoline affect it’s combustion efficiency? Does it even run better, because if it does not, it’s a practical reason not to up the blend of ethanol within gasoline.

However, either replacing gasoline with natural gas or some other source would be a major overhaul of the infrastructure, and would need some serious citizen petitioning in order to work.


3 posted on 01/04/2011 8:07:00 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Glenn Beck tonight talking about the oil companies.

“Fight back dammit”


4 posted on 01/04/2011 8:07:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Rino Senator Grassely is so happy he’s abusing himself.


5 posted on 01/04/2011 8:07:33 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Good idea! Let’s wreck ALL of the internal combustion engines in the USA that haven’t already been wrecked by 10% laffanol.

Thank God there are fuel stations in my area that sell unadulterated premium GASoline. I have not had any problems with my ATV, Chainsaw, or snowblower engines since changing over to PURE GAS.

Of course, I expect PURE GAS to be outlawed soon and I may have to drive all the way into a northern country nearby to get the real stuff. I don’t want to mention any name of that northern country because I doubt if any of the EPA morons could figure it our if I keep it a secret...


6 posted on 01/04/2011 8:09:22 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% white, 50% black, 100% red)
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To: Morpheus2009

Ethanol is an environmental disaster. Corn is soaking up precious underground water and the fuel to farm and fertilize it is unbelievable. Then the crap eats up your engine because there is WATER IN ETHANOL!! Stop this madness!!


7 posted on 01/04/2011 8:10:51 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Morpheus2009

Ethanol reduces the combustion potential of gasoline. It also can increase the possibility of engine damage due to lower combustion temperatures in the cylinders.


8 posted on 01/04/2011 8:10:55 PM PST by CSI007
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

So what interest do the oil producers have in this other than the fact that they want you to buy gasoline instead of ethanol? How else are they being hurt by it?


9 posted on 01/04/2011 8:15:33 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Any time the government mandates changes in the formulation of fuel that is not scientifically supported it means that somebody is going to get rich (the corn producing farmers and their congresscritters like the new SD-RINO Kristi Noeme) and somebody is going to get screwed (the American consumers of that fuel).

The oil companies don’t have much to do with it. They will produce the fuel and the governement will mandate its adulteration into something that is harmful. Do you remember MTBE?


10 posted on 01/04/2011 8:22:13 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% white, 50% black, 100% red)
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To: org.whodat

I’m sure that Mr. Ed is indeed happy.


11 posted on 01/04/2011 8:30:28 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: Morpheus2009

It’s less efficient and it will ruin your engine. Other than that, it’s awesome!


12 posted on 01/04/2011 8:35:15 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: 43north

This is all due to Congressional mandate for a set amount of ethanol to be consumed.

The only way the idiotic mandate can be met is to jack up the ethanol percentage in the gasoline.

The first step would be to dump these idiotic mandates and stop subsidizing ethanol to the tune of billions of dollars for a motor fuel or additive that has been proven to destroy engines, increase ozone pollution, and to say nothing of the ridiculous amount of energy and crop land it takes to produce feedstock (corn) for the process. It’s also less efficient than straight gasoline thereby requiring more to be consumed to do the same amount of work.


13 posted on 01/04/2011 8:35:31 PM PST by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: Brilliant

Additional varieties drive up inventory costs. Plus if this ethanol mix is even more hydrophylic, it may damage their own equipment.


14 posted on 01/04/2011 8:39:33 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Morpheus2009

answer: price up, mileage down


15 posted on 01/04/2011 8:39:44 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Republic of Texas

I understand that it’s inefficient and it ruins the engine but I’m sure that’s not how the government sold this crap. What was their excuse, if you’re aware?


16 posted on 01/04/2011 8:49:25 PM PST by parisa
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ethanol doesn’t work and the EPA knows it, They are just stealing money.


17 posted on 01/04/2011 8:54:16 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Is there any gasoline oput there without ethanol?

Please Post the names.

Ethanol has destroyed my leaf blower and outboard motor. I need to find where to buy gas without it. If it costs more that will be more than made up by the 10% drop I get in gas mileage.


18 posted on 01/04/2011 9:05:10 PM PST by Venturer
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To: headstamp 2

Folks, not only does Ethanol cause rust because it combines with water, it has lower combustion temperatures, low energy, reduces mileage and cruds up the engine. Don’t use it in your small engines especially since it attracts water and will seriously jack up your carburetor.

Adding insult to injury it competes for animal food and to make matters that much worse... dumbo and his demorat lackeys have mandated that all feed for livestock, chickens and such have an added tax... TO PAY THE ETHANOL SUBSIDY!

This is all true, I am in the oil business and the family is in the poultry business. Poultry raisers are expecting another round of increases in prices to cover this tax on grain.


19 posted on 01/04/2011 9:22:16 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: parisa

It was cheaper than oil. With Government subsidies. Without them it wasn’t. The real reason is that this is what the Farm Lobby wanted. The price of corn has skyrocketed.


20 posted on 01/04/2011 9:29:56 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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