Posted on 12/16/2010 1:17:21 PM PST by Cardhu
Lakin Sentenced
1545: Sentence announced. Dismissal, confinement for 6 months, total forfeitures.
I explained that in the original post about which we're corresponding now.
I explained that in the original post about which we're corresponding now.
I’m not guessing. That’s what the law (Title 10) says.
Well, to even BE the “President elect” the person would have had to be certified as the electoral winner.
For the President elect to fail to qualify even though the Vice President elect qualifies means that the disqualification must not have be related to the electoral vote.
The 20th Amendment mentions other scenarios such as you mentioned (Pres elect dies, Pres not chosen by the start of the term) separately from the “having failed to qualify” part so it must be something different than those scenarios.
The only scenarios I can think of that would make sense within the context is either if the President elect wasn’t old enough or hadn’t been a resident long enough by Jan 20th and the VP elect was to serve until the Pres elect WAS old enough or a resident long enough to qualify, or if the President elect had not yet PROVEN his qualifications and the VP elect would serve until the Pres elect could prove he was qualified (to “act as President until a President shall have qualified”).
Or the other qualification is the natural born citizenship requirement, so if a President elect either wasn’t a natural born citizen or had failed to prove he/she was a natural born citizen, the VP elect would act as President until the President elect had proven his/her natural born citizenship, or until the courts or Congress had provided another way for an eligible President to be chosen to replace the ineligible one.
The 12th Amendment talks about the VP acting as President in the case of “death or other constitutional disability of the President”, so treason, mental incapacity, impeachment, etc would all have already been covered without the 20th Amendment.
Those are the scenarios I can think of.
Actually an Officer can be “busted” down to an enlisted rank, I have known several such former officers.
The process is called RIFFing or “Reduction in Force” where they are given the choice of getting dismissed or becoming an enlisted person.
And it does not have the same stigma as a BCD does if they are dismissed.
So once again your opinion is not backed up by the facts.
Jamese77, LorenC - Do you know of any?
Nope.
The first Obama eligibility case that was filed was Berg v. Obama, on August 21, 2008. A few days before the Democratic convention, and some two and a half months after Obama clinched the nomination and the COLB went online. And, of course, a full year and a half after Obama announced his candidacy.
I'm not aware of any other eligibility cases filed in the next 30+ days after Berg's. Only in October 2008 did Andy Martin file a couple of claims with Hawaii, and somebody named James E. Ealey filed a seriously nutty suit against Sarah Obama. Here's an excerpt of that latter suit:
Ms. Sarah Mohamed Hussein Obama is possessed with very dangerous evil satanic ghosts. She also uses spirits of dead relatives including the spirit of Barack Hussein Mohamed Obama senior who’s buried in her back yard. She has been using these ghosts to harm other people in a form of witchcraft for a long time, she is best known for that in her village of Kogelo in Kenya. Several weeks ago she was almost killed by young angry mob of witch hunters in her village, that is why she is now being protected by Kenyan police officers. Although she is a witch, her family maintain other stories and lies about the incident.It was Barack Hussein Mohamed Obama who asked for the satanic help from his grandmother. This lady put evil satanic sp on Our president so that people will hate the president and the economy will go bad, so that Obama can get a chance to be elected U. S president. She also put spells on Hillary Clinton that is one of the reasons she lost the democratic party nomination.
Only about a week before the election itself (and even moreso AFTER the election, curiously) did Birthers really start to take an interest in filing lawsuits.
No, not to this question. You said we agree to disagree (and didn't say why). You said Lakin must accept Obama as CIC, which doesn't address the question about the military court being inappropriate. Before that you said, "Unless and until he's ruled ineligible by the Judiciary ..." which I responded that this includes the Judiciary include the military court. So, no, I don't see any explanation about why you think the military court is inappropriate other than not understanding that it's part of the federal judiciary.
I'm sure most skeptics assumed Candidate Obama was going to do the right thing or that the state of Hawaii would do the right thing and release a verifiable original certificate of live birth. People are inherently trusting and don't file lawsuits willy-nilly.
Yeah, anybody who spread the myth that the Factcheck COLB is genuine should have checked it out better before they passed along the myth.
Sometimes it’s hard to know the truth. I know that. It takes a lot of time to do an earnest investigation. And it’s hard to know what sources to trust. So there’s bound to be confusion.
That’s why it is so critical that we not have to rely on the internet to document the bona fides of candidates. And that’s what makes so insufferable the HDOH’s refusal to disclose to anyone who asked for it the genuine non-certified COLB as required by Hawaii law. That’s why it stinks so bad that Fukino hid the Administrative Rules which revealed that such a disclosure is authorized to anybody who asks for it.
It’s the lawlessness that has allowed this whole fiasco, and somebody needs to be held legally accountable for it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2643882/posts
The Miscalculations and Isolation of Lt Col Lakin
The Conservative Monster ^ | 12-16-10 | Steve Cooper
I believe that LTC Lakin suspected that his You Tube video about Obama being ineligible would unite the country to demand that Obama release all of his records and prove that he is a natural born citizen. This did not happen due to several reasons.
The media manipulation and blackout on LTC Lakin’s refusal to go to Afghanistan unless Obama proved he was eligible to be president, but most importantly the Fox News and conservative talk radio blackout. Sure Michael Savage mentioned eligibility a few times, but the power of Fox News was needed to make the Obama eligibility issue grow. Mentioning Lakin for 30 seconds like Brett Baier was just not enough play to the national audience.
Glenn Beck’s ridiculing of the birther movement (the leader of the Anti-Birther movement) also scared many Tea Party people away from the issue. I can not tell you how many times people e-mailed me that they know and believe that Obama is not eligible, but they were afraid to be labeled as “crazy”. You can thank Glenn Beck for this, because these Americans did not want to go against Beck’s wishes to support the Obama Eligibility movement.
I said a commissioned officer cannot be busted down in rank by a court martial not that he could never be busted down in rank. It’s not an opinion. See the Manual for Courts Martial page II-129. The SecDef can reduce the rank of a commissioned officer, which is also in the MCM.
Dismissal, Dishonorable Discharge, and Bad Conduct Discharge are all punative discharges. I didn’t say BCD and Dismissal were equivalent. I said Dismissal of a commissioned officer is the equivalent of a DD.
Between the two of us, you’re the only one stating an opinion.
Non-certified HI COLB’s are discloseable to anybody who asks to see, according to the HDOH Administrative Rules that Fukino illegally hid until a year after the election.
And now that Fukino has made a public statement about what is on Obama’s “vital records”, anything she based that statement on is required to be disclosed to anybody who asks to see. So at this point everything they have in that office for Obama is required to be disclosed to whoever asks for it.
The only reason Lakin even had to go through this rigamarole trying to see the documentation is because the HDOH is a bunch of lawless thugs who refuse to obey the laws.
The only people I could possibly see as more scummy than Obama in all this treatment of Lakin are the people at the HDOH. But it’s probably a pretty close call. Obama probably threatened them so maybe they thought they had no other choice.
Just like Lakin thought he had no other choice. Sigh. What a difference it makes when the people who threaten you are crooks who will cover for you, versus when it’s just you and your conscience in full view and shooting distance of anybody who wants to take a potshot.
The “seal” on the Factcheck COLB does not match what the HDOH just recently disclosed in response to a UIPA request for the departmental seal. And the HDOH only disclosed that after pressured with a deadline by the Office of Information Practices.
Lakin’s deployment was part of the surge in troop levels to Afghanistan - a surge that had to be authorized by “the President”. Without the President approving the SecDef’s plans for deployment schedules, movement, etc, there would be no authority for those orders.
I give my sources because whether people believe me or not, the law is there and it cannot be stepped over. It’s not just opinion. Words have meaning that can’t just be ignored or redefined.
At least not in a country with the rule of law. But then, that’s the real crux of this matter...
Berg filed his suit before Obama was even chosen as the DNC candidate.
What I expect from a terrorist supporter and ACLU Liewyer.
At what point will we recognize the DOMESTIC enemies of the Constitution as enemies and react accordingly?
There are some people it’s better to just stay away from.
Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers... Psalm 1
One of the signs of a person with deep problems is that they laugh when they should be crying, and cry when they should be laughing. It’s sad.
When push comes to shove, I would be unsurprised if NO state at all passes such a requirement to get on a ballot in 2012.
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