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Studios Sue to Stop 'Family-Friendly' DVD Service
Yahoo ^ | 11/15/10 | Eriq Gardner

Posted on 11/15/2010 8:11:19 PM PST by DemforBush

Hollywood is once again going to battle with the puritans.

A coalition of major studios including Paramount, Warner Bros., MGM, Disney, Universal and Fox has filed a lawsuit against a defendant who has taken movies, altered them to be free of objectionable content, and is distributing them to consumers as "family-friendly."

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.movies.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: copyright; culturewars; editing; hollywood; movies
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To: savagesusie

“Parents and all people should have the right to have things censored if that is what they want IF THE MOVIES are marketed to the masses and they promote illicit sex and illicit language. This intentional vulgarization of the masses is done intentionally by cultural Marxists who want to destroy the pillars of Western Civilization—the natural family and Christianity.”

Agreed. In my opinion, selling the software used to edit these videos for personal use only is a viable business model.

Then parents can hack away at their favourite films.

There are plenty of rogue video editors that already do this same work (see parody folks), and ‘personal cuts’ to restore hack jobs on the cutting floor.


41 posted on 11/15/2010 9:08:18 PM PST by BenKenobi (DonÂ’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: Sto Zvirat
Yep it is all about art. When they edit it to be shown on an airplane or Tv, including adding scenes that weren't in the theatrical release to fill time, it is all about the art.

More people could enjoy the movie if you could edit a little bit of sex or especially violence out.

42 posted on 11/15/2010 9:10:17 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: Sto Zvirat
Do you think it would be OK if a local station went and filmed a NFL game and broadcasted it without the right to do so would be ok?

A local station wouldn't have purchased anything, they would have stolen something. When I resell a DVD, I'm reselling something I've purchased (then altered). Like it or not, you give up some rights when you sell your property to others.
43 posted on 11/15/2010 9:16:01 PM PST by Egg (It's a Keynesian thing; we wouldn't understand.)
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To: trumandogz
Do you think that you would need Sarah Palin’s permission for such an undertaking?

Not having the original author's/artist's permission is the premise for this entire discussion. When I bought the book, it's mine. If I take a Sharpie and mark out huge chunks of text and sell it 20 years later at a garage sale, I really don't think I've done anything illegal or unfair.
44 posted on 11/15/2010 9:19:10 PM PST by Egg (It's a Keynesian thing; we wouldn't understand.)
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To: Egg

You don’t have the right to alter a film and resell it.

What about copyright law do you not get?

You can’t do that, its the law, and no amount of cognitive dissonance on your part will change that, ever.

Next time you rent a film, read all the small print when they roll the credits, you don’t have the right to do that. Nor do you have the right to publish someone’s book with your own foreword.


45 posted on 11/15/2010 9:25:15 PM PST by Sto Zvirat
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To: terycarl

Film is different than books. It takes experience and knowledge to digest what is inside a book. If there are no pictures, it is hard to corrupt a child with it. A little 5 year old can be corrupted very easily by what they hear and see that will impact their whole world view and thinking for the rest of their life.

Art should, of course, be censored. Ideas by perverts can easily be put inside the heads of children, especially with today’s technology. One teenage English boy in the late 19th century got ahold of a Marquis de Sade book and subsequently re-enacted the grisly, sexual tortures on a little girl and boy, who both were killed. He was inspired and sexually excited by the book.

Ideas matter. They are the most important part of a civil society. It is imperative for a moral society to control the stuff that is put inside the heads of the young. It determines whether they become moral people or not. Adults that constantly indulge in filth, do not become decent, productive human beings either. They do not treat human beings with dignity, nor do they treat themselves with dignity.


46 posted on 11/15/2010 9:25:15 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: Sto Zvirat

Don’t be frustrated. Just think a little more about it. Come back tomorrow, perhaps.


47 posted on 11/15/2010 9:28:50 PM PST by Egg (It's a Keynesian thing; we wouldn't understand.)
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To: savagesusie
Art should, of course, be censored.

Wow, how Taliban of you. Congratulations on such an anti-American statement.

48 posted on 11/15/2010 9:31:09 PM PST by Sto Zvirat
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To: Egg
When I bought the book, it's mine. If I take a Sharpie and mark out huge chunks of text and sell it 20 years later at a garage sale, I really don't think I've done anything illegal or unfair.

What if you buy the book, make 3000 photocopies of it, and then sell those photocopies for a profit without the permission of (or benefit passed on to) the original creators and copyright holders? Because you one one copy of the work, does that give you permission to create additional copies with the intent to distribute and sell for your profit, but not for theirs?

49 posted on 11/15/2010 9:31:39 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

Uh, no. Please see my posts #20 and #35.


50 posted on 11/15/2010 9:33:53 PM PST by Egg (It's a Keynesian thing; we wouldn't understand.)
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To: Egg

You still have no answer. Wishing you can do something that is clearly against the law won’t make it so.

Living in a free country is worth it it. If you don’t like it, there are several places in the world where the state theocracy will protect your kids and keep you from reading things objectionable to the state.

I’d rather live in America, copyright law exists for a reason.


51 posted on 11/15/2010 9:33:52 PM PST by Sto Zvirat
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To: Sto Zvirat
Yes, you think the law is on your side, but you have failed to make your case in the least bit convincing.

You mouth platitudes about living in a free country while you side with the Hollywood cretins who tell me I can't alter something I've bought primarily because then they couldn't pedal their corruption and filth as easily and as widespread. In fact, it's the communists who despise private property.

Perhaps we live in two different Americas.
52 posted on 11/15/2010 9:38:18 PM PST by Egg (It's a Keynesian thing; we wouldn't understand.)
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To: DemforBush; Alex Murphy
I'm siding with Hollyweird 100% on this one. The films that Webster is editing and repackaging through his company (Family Edited DVDS), aren't his property to alter.

(Ah, give me break...as Alex Murphy pointed out in this thread, Family Edited DVDS is Mormon owned...and if Mormon founder Joseph Smith can alter the KJ Bible...saying it needed to be "translated" from KJ English into KJ English-with-Smith-additions, deletions and corrections...then what's a few edited products by Hollywood script-writers and their producers/editors/actors, etc.???)

53 posted on 11/15/2010 9:41:15 PM PST by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Egg

No, I live in the America where the rule of law is just that, not just when you agree with it.

You can’t take someone’s copyrighted creation and alter it and sell it, because you don’t own it. What if someone tried to sell your car or home and took all the money?

Its about rights and its about ownership. There are several directors who specifically do not allow their works to be cut or altered in any way, its their rights. America is about rights, its about ownership. If you don’t feel that way, then you really have some issues with the concept of freedom. Remember....people don’t censor things they agree with....


54 posted on 11/15/2010 9:46:07 PM PST by Sto Zvirat
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To: Egg

And if you were to mass produce the edited version of the book and put it for sale, you would have a dozen lawyers on your doorstep.


55 posted on 11/15/2010 9:46:56 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: DemforBush

Hollywood is cutting off it’s nose in spite of it’s face. The whining about artistic integrity and original intent is mute when the original is easily available. Nobody is stopping anybody from buying the nasty original version.

If the altered version is clearly labeled as such and Hollywood collects the same royalty from the altered version they would have collected otherwise they are locking themselves out of a market that would have rejected them otherwise. Not only that but human curiosity being what it is, some of those kids will grow up and want to see what was cut out of the original!


56 posted on 11/15/2010 9:49:26 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Sto Zvirat

You continue to prove your misunderstanding of the concepts of ownership and censorship.


57 posted on 11/15/2010 9:51:34 PM PST by Egg (It's a Keynesian thing; we wouldn't understand.)
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To: DemforBush

My only objection would be if he ran off a copy of one video, and made a whole bunch of altered copies from that one video.

If he purchased a new video for each sale he made, I could care less. The studios get their slice of the pie, and the public gets a movie that isn’t so vile that a family can’t sit down and watch it.

The movie would need to be labeled for what it was. That way folks handling the movie would know it wasn’t the version published by the studio in question.

The guy doing this would buy it at the retail price. And families would buy it at that cost plus a fee for having chopped out the questionable parts.

If the studios want to capture this business for themselves, I say fine. Let them get back to producing wholesome content.

Otherwise, within these parameters, ST_U. They don’t want to produce wholesome material and someone else does.


58 posted on 11/15/2010 9:51:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Your next chance like this? About 2044. Vote popularity and don't waste time with the details.)
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To: trumandogz
And if you were to mass produce the edited version of the book and put it for sale, you would have a dozen lawyers on your doorstep.

Maybe, but if a frog had side pockets, he'd carry a firearm... ?
59 posted on 11/15/2010 9:52:36 PM PST by Egg (It's a Keynesian thing; we wouldn't understand.)
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To: Egg

EGGsactly right.


60 posted on 11/15/2010 9:52:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Your next chance like this? About 2044. Vote popularity and don't waste time with the details.)
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