Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.
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Oh he wold admit he actually liked you.
I am trying to remember this one gripefest we had about Taylor Swift, who I swear, is a computer generated and oversampled invention.
That girl cannot sing in a live concert and would make a harpy shake it head in shame for her shrill and off key vocals.
She couldn’t carry a tune if she put it in a bucket and carried around all day.
He had some hilarious remarks about her too.
ROTFLOL.
Typical drool.
I never heard of Politijab or Dopes.com.
Am I gonna get a headache if I visit those sites?
Mark Levin is raising my blood pressure by playing that intellectual hack Joe Scarborough.
If Joe ever stands up all that sand is going to run down his legs.
Same thing with Drew68. His kid isn’t eligible.
Yeah, after all, I admitted it in black and white. /s
Geez.
Dopes (they have "Know your Dope" threads) and Politijab are one and the same. It's a Leftist/Socialist and other malcontents hideout. You may be able to laugh at them.
Site must suck...loudly.
I can’t even open the forums.
You’re someone who can’t get it right. You being here for a couple of years before doesn’t mean squat.
See, even a stopped clock is right twice in a day!
There are many who deny the true meaning of a natural born citizen based on the birth status of their children.
Noticed one web site that wants foreign born adopted children be declared natural born citizens.
One day expect some citizens to declare their dogs and cats to be a natural born citizen.
I can’t even open the forums.
You have to sign up to see those clowns. See FReep mail for an answer.
Since you can see the future, does El Sordo have kids and does one of them become POTUS? I need know if I should become better firends with him so I can take advantage of his status as First Father.
I just noticed the FR clock is 11 minutes ahead.
At least not to their face. It’s a little more in vogue to do it behind their back, I think.
I’ve been working today so I’ve missed most of the conversation, but did see that Miss Tickly has acknowledged that she should have gone to Danae privately first and that she didn’t know a more tactful way to address things. I’m a social moron so I can relate to somebody not knowing exactly how to address things.
I also know it hurts to be accused when you can’t possibly convince the other person that you’re telling the truth.
So I can really relate to both sides here (which makes me really angry at Obama for putting both these wonderful ladies in this position, as well as the rest of us too).
What I hear MT saying is that she’s still not 100% sure that her suspicion was wrong - but that if she really is wrong she would certainly regret the false accusation, because her desire is to get to the truth, not to cut any person down.
I’d be willing to bet there are very few things MT actually is 100% convinced of. Absolute proof doesn’t exist, so we each have our evidentiary thresholds that we’re comfortable with.
Take, for instance, the date stamp issue. As Danae says, there could be lots of different date stamps and one being different might not mean anything at all. On the other hand, MT has looked at every date stamp she could find and Danae’s was the only one that was different. Reasonable people can reach different conclusions, based on whether they think the sampling we have is reasonably conclusive. We’ll never have absolute proof, so the question is what we’re willing to settle for.
MT has been very honest about what she thinks, and has given her evidence-based reasons for thinking those things. Her bringing it up means that her thoughts are open to public scrutiny, which is a way to sharpen them and test their accuracy. It would have been a lot easier for her to just talk behind Danae’s back and then the suspicions would never have been put to the test. She could have tried to destroy Danae’s credibility through gossip and been much, much more personally damaging to Danae - rather than putting it out in the open where Dane can deal with it.
The same kind of situation exists for El Sordo’s statements. At one point he said that he and Danae had discussed how the transfer could have gotten there and had thought that one paper had been inserted around the tail of the other (I couldn’t picture it in my mind so sort of buzzed past that; again, my 3D handicap). But then the last thing he said was that it was a line from the bottom of the receipt(which matches what Danae posted) but that it was a straight transfer on the bottom of the BC copy’s back (which doesn’t match, because it was actually at the top).
A person could take the view that El Sordo was confused when he made the different statements. Or they could take the view that he never saw the documents so he was floundering and then Danae manufactured images based on Ha Ha’s theory.
Part of it depends on what a person is predisposed to believe, but part of it also depends on evidentiary standards. Reasonable people can disagree. In a who-dunnit mystery would these kinds of discrepancies be enough to cause suspicions? To convict a man? I don’t know so I’m mostly going to just ponder it privately, which is what I do when I’m not sure what to think.
I’ve tempered a lot of what I consider to be a slam-dunk because people I respect were not so convinced. It’s not personal; it’s just different people having different evidentiary thresholds.
I have been distrusted by some because I try to be civil to everyone, regardless of their reputation as a troll or Obot. Here there are people trying to dismiss MT as a liberal troll. Elsewhere people try to dismiss Buckeye Texan or El Sordo as trolls. People call each other liars all the time here on FR. It seems to be the way to prove you’re not an “Obot”. I guess I’m an Obot because I try not to call people liars or Obots unless I’m absolutely sure.
And I have no way of knowing for absolute sure who is a troll and who isn’t. In the end, to me, it doesn’t matter except in rare circumstances where critical information could be compromised. What matters to me is the evidence itself.
I can understand if people say they don’t believe the e-mails I’ve posted on my blog are authentic, because I don’t have any way to prove their authenticity to somebody online. I could prove it to somebody in person because they could verify it directly on my computer. But they wouldn’t be able to prove to somebody else that they verified it on my computer either. And that’s the kind of situation we have here. I could have the cops verify on my computer and somehow certify the results but even that depends on honest cops.
And that brings us back to why this is such a critical issue - because if the people who are supposed to be trustworthy aren’t, we’ve got nothing.
MT wants to know about verification. That’s not because she wants to accuse Danae of lying; it’s because the HDOH has told me that they send out a COLB when somebody requests a letter of verification. A letter of verification would only include the information that the requestor asked to be verified, so you could get what looks just like a COLB that didn’t have the island of birth on it if it was a verification.
A particular lawsuit reveals that the HDOH can’t print out an actual COLB if any of the required fields are missing though, so if the COLB was an actual COLB and not just the HDOH’s version of a letter of verification, the missing island of birth would be problematic.
So though it might seem like it’s nitpicking or aimed at “framing” Danae, the questions are actually intended to help understand the seeming discrepancies.
What boggles the mind is that a verification would somehow have to have authenticating marks in order to be known as a non-forgery, so if they really do send out COLB’s when somebody asks for a verification in lieu of a certified BC, what they end up sending out is a certified COLB. Which is no different than what they currently send out if somebody requests a certified BC. So in lieu of a certified BC they send out a certified BC. Doesn’t make sense. But then, that’s what I’ve come to expect from these people.
Sorry this is so long. And it’s really mostly to everybody and not just the people I addressed. Velveeta, you’re probably wondering where this all came from. Sorry. I do agree with you that it is not a cool move to call somebody who has demonstrated integrity a liar without some really solid evidence.
“The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.”
We know how the alleged birth certificate was obtained.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html
Hanging out on birther threads is not exactly an aphrodisiac...sooooo....I recommend friendship status: "unchanged".
FR mail just now.
So you don’t believe or don’t accept the marriage index data for Dunham (bride) and Obama Sr. (Groom) that Okubo (or Fukino?) released via e-mail?
(Serious question, not being a smart alec.)
It sure is. You have a "special pal" over there who toots his piccolo and they eat up his words. A Pied Piper. He should be along here sometime. His posting name starts with an "L" and end in a "C".
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