Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.
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“A standup person would offer her a complete apology, and
seriously consider how severely their obsessions and
paranoia have tainted their logic.”
Uhm, talk about vicious.
The story as told by El Sardo did not make sense. So uhm, ok.
Yes and no....at the bare minimum, they usually comply.
Not vicious at all. Merely a statement of the
illogic of your immediately suspicious reaction
to what Danae posted she got.
You didn’t even entertain the possibility that
it was authentically what was sent to her; you
immediately jumped to ‘a plot’ scenario.
Why ?
I made UIPA requests but not for the BC. I do genealogy so I’m well aware of the rules about issuing BCs to family members only. I now know that they lied to me about not having the document I requested.
Yeah, that’s a typical liberal way to address an issue. START with personal attacks and apologize ONLY when forced or shamed into doing so.
You made it personal with your very first post to Danae. To say now that she shouldn’t take it personally is just like a liberal politician’s public apology: “I apologize if some took offense.” (i.e. “It’s not my fault that you were offended.”)
Pathetic. You don’t deserve the consideration with which Danae treats you. She’s a class act. You aren’t.
Take a look at the comments I left with the links to Polarik’s work.
Two Certifications that have been manipulated? So, yes, i question this one as well. If you think that’s some giant crazy leap, fine by me.
Obviously ‘they’ are floating phony COLBs. Every available COLB should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
Thanks STARWISE. You are right, no good deed goes unpunished. To say that makes me somewhat despondent is an understatement.
It seems the best thing to do is do nothing, but then again, in the way of things, the evil powers that be would rather we duck and cover instead of fighting back and defending one’s self.
Thank you for your support!
D
There was NO SUCH THING AS DUAL CITIZENSHIP RECOGNIZED BY THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES. PER THE TREATY OF 1870 BETWEEN THE US & GREAT BRITAIN that was CONCLUDED in May 1870; EXCHANGED in August 1870 & PROCLAIMED the law of the land in September 1870, it was recognized by BOTH countries as the SUPREME LAW governing nationality of subjects & citizens.( http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=016/llsl016.db&recNum=810 )
British Nationality Act, 1948 Part II
Citizenship of the United Kingdom and Colonies. Citizenship by birth or descent.
Citizenship by descent.
5.(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:
Provided that if the father of such a person is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of this section unless
(a) that person is born or his father was born in a protectorate, protected state, mandated territory or trust territory or any place in a foreign country where by treaty, capitulation, grant, usage, sufferance, or other lawful means, His Majesty then has or had jurisdiction over British subjects; or
(b) that person's birth having occurred in a place in a foreign country other than a place such as is mentioned in the last foregoing paragraph, the birth is registered at a United Kingdom consulate within one year of its occurrence, or, with the permission of the Secretary of State
The treaty between the US & Great Britain, STILL IN FORCE, clearly stated that the only US citizenship recognized by GB was that of a British Subject who freely & openly renounced his allegiance to GB & took an oath of allegiance to the US. There was NO conferring citizenship, it had to be done by a personal act of the individual, not that of the state or nation. Therefore, according to the treaty, since BO, Sr was NOT a naturalized US citizen, his children were not US citizens either for all legal & intent purposes. Treaties TRUMP US law or did you forget that little fact.
I think you are misunderstanding what and why I question the COLB. I just want to know if Danae may have INADVERTENTLY received a verification rather than a certified copy when she received her ‘Certification of Live Birth.’
I don’t doubt that this receipt is real for the photocopy. My doubt is actually ONLY about the date stamp for the state registrar. And it’s not quite doubt so much as curiosity.
PER THE TREATY OF 1870 BETWEEN THE US & GREAT BRITAIN that was CONCLUDED in May 1870; EXCHANGED in August 1870 & PROCLAIMED the law of the land in September 1870, it was recognized by BOTH countries as the SUPREME LAW governing nationality of subjects & citizens.
http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=016/llsl016.db&recNum=810
You’ve done ALL you should do, ‘cept for
making sure you order and get certified
copies of your bc for YOU.
Keep the faith .. ;)
“class act?” what are 105 years old?
I just want to know if Danae may have INADVERTENTLY received a verification rather than a certified copy when she received her Certification of Live Birth.
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She didn’t order a certified copy and didn’t get one.
Makes perfect sense you would be unfamiliar with that term.
If you want to cite the UIPA to request Obama’s LFBC, do so under §92F-14: “Significant privacy interest; examples. (a) Disclosure of a government record shall not constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy if the public interest in disclosure outweighs the privacy interests of the individual.”
Mention that the website, http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html, acknowledges the public interest: “Below are responses to frequently asked questions related to all records and documents maintained by the Hawaii State Department of Health (DOH) related to the vital records of President Barack Hussein Obama II.”
The same page mentions UPIA 92F-13 which says, “This part shall not require disclosure of: “(4)Government records which, pursuant to state or federal law including an order of any state or federal court, are protected from disclosure;” While it doesn’t require disclosure, it doesn’t prohibit disclosures either, and that the DOH should comply with the overall UIPA policy, expressed in 92F-2: “(1)Promote the public interest in disclosure;” “(3)Enhance governmental accountability through a general policy of access to government records;” and “(5) Balance the individual privacy interest and the public access interest, allowing access unless it would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.”
As you can see in part 5, the general rule is to allow access unless it would contsitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy, but this is outweighed by public interest, which the DOH acknowledges. The DOH has NO legitimate reason to deny the release of this record. None.
MT lost all credibility by her unwarranted boorish assault towards Danae.
There was not going to be an easy way to start the conversation i started. Not for me anyway.
I lack the skills of diplomacy. For that I am really sorry. I still have questions though. Do you want me to pretend for you guys that I don’t?
The fact is that Polarik presented two discredited COLBs so I don’t feel that bad for being suspicious. I explained why. I provided what I had looked at in terms of Danae’s date stamps. I provided the Polarik photos that showed he had done something to the comparison COLBs. I questioned the story that El Sordo told as he told it.
I am sorry but I am afraid it’s not quite what you guys are looking for.
“I just want to know if Danae may have INADVERTENTLY received a verification rather than a certified copy when she received her Certification of Live Birth.
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She didnt order a certified copy and didnt get one.”
I mean her COLB, not the long form photocopy.
I did not mean to “assault” her, that’s fo sho.
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