Posted on 09/30/2010 3:55:02 AM PDT by golux
Oops -— Look, I want immediate repeal of the 16th amendment. But without adequate preparation for the massive economic dislocation that would result, if it could be done by decree it would be consigning millions to poverty.
Maybe next time we can discuss a secession declaration from another state that isn't quite so ambiguous.
That statement is flatly ridiculous. The protagonist could be black, but stating "I wish I was in the land of cotton..." is hardly likely to be about Long Island in New York.
Oh, that's right - New York was a major supplier of raw cotton to the world, not the southern states. We won't talk about slaves (and slave trading) in New York, nor about the northern ghettos.
Your veracity seems to track with your manners.
And I envy you that, though I’m not terribly far behind. Just enough to have to seen the worst of all the monstrous PC garbage happen.
Interesting. The exact same things could be said about people in the north...except for the “dream of returning to” part. For them, they believe they ARE in a position of unearned supremacy and act out thuggish behavior free of consequence (or so they think).
The Stars and Bars are part of our history, and a symbol of American independence and fight.
Now, there are those who proudly fly the Mexican or Pan-African or some other colors, and no one says boo, even though these colors represent ideologies that are currently divisive, arrogant and racist to the core. But such displays are not offensive in what respect?
How many people have to DIE to put all this American Civil War back and forth to rest? It’s reminding me of debating the details of the 100 years war or storming the Bastille.
Slaves exist TODAY in many places, including the US. They’re killed, maimed, raped, etc. This argument is pure foolishness to me. The present Civil War in America is unfought with weapons. Thousands did die then, however. Lincoln foisted the Irish from the potato famine from the dock to impressment right there...which is slavery of a type.
Today, we are mostly wage slaves ourselves, which is slavery by any other name, just as the political war is being waged not just for our, but also for our children’s futures. Harboring a sense of independence and desire for freedom is, odd at this may be, a representation that is the obverse of what slavery meant back in the 1800s and before—now approaching 200 years. Not 25 or 50, but over 100. The old flag, Stars & Bars, like that of Don’t Tread on Me, is only slightly anachronistic, and peculiarly appropriate to folks who recognize the US federal move toward enslaving us all right now—of whatever color. All blood runs red.
Oh really.
First of all, to set the record straight, the Southern states seceded, formed the Confederate States of America and were promptly and illegally invaded by disHonest Abe. (you're not going to hijack this thread with your lies)
Secondly, the nation is as, or more, polarized today than in 1860 and a lot of that polarization is north and South (with the Rocky Mountain states leaning South and the left coast states leaning north.) Now, if the Southern states and her allies decide that enough is enough of this yankee socialism crap and secedes, are you gonna insist that slavery was the catalyst? If not, what would be your explanation for modern secession? Cut and run mentality?
If you adhere to that, then you must really despise the Cuban who gets in a rickety boat and sails 90 miles across open ocean to escape Fidel's socialist utopia. Blast the cowardly Cuban for cutting and running when he should stay and wait for change, right?
Go ahead, ns, dazzle us with your insight. /sarc
BTW, do you still prefer obama's politics to mine?
You know, it is really weird that it’s often the Southern states that have Right to Work laws. Northern-based Unions with their management bosses are ‘plantation’ owners themselves in practice.
Ditto for the Upstate of SC!
You've yet to do that, troll...er, I mean, Mike.
They are a part of our history, yes.
Now, there are those who proudly fly the Mexican or Pan-African or some other colors, and no one says boo, even though these colors represent ideologies that are currently divisive, arrogant and racist to the core. But such displays are not offensive in what respect?
I am not aware of any clause in the Constitution that gives me a right not to be offended. So I say, and have always said, that if you want to fly the confederate flag then you should go ahead and do so, and to hell with the person wanting to deny you that pleasure. And I say that as probably the most reviled Yankee on FR.
Well yeah, there is. You are entitled to your own opinions and your own authorities, but not your own facts. And the fact is that the 1856 Republican Platform did not say what you claim it said.
One Southern leader: R. E Lee.
Nonsense.
The latter however, were physically removed from the consequences of having to deal with black people.
It wasn't dealing with black people that was the problem, it was dealing with free black people. So long as they were property then the Southeners didn't have a problem. It's when they were free that the issues came up.
I don’t have to.
Having you so obsessed with my non internet life that you went through the trouble to actually track me down to my home address in south Florida is enough for me to proclaim I am so deep in your skull you cannot even think straight.
Any other board would ban you for your obsession with destroying me personally in the real world.
If you wanted to set the record straight then you would admit that the confederacy seceded and then turned to war to further their aims. A war which they then proceeded to lose.
(you're not going to hijack this thread with your lies)
Nor will you. Not while I'm around.
Secondly, the nation is as, or more, polarized today than in 1860 and a lot of that polarization is north and South (with the Rocky Mountain states leaning South and the left coast states leaning north.) Now, if the Southern states and her allies decide that enough is enough of this yankee socialism crap and secedes, are you gonna insist that slavery was the catalyst? If not, what would be your explanation for modern secession? Cut and run mentality?
Secede first, then ask me that question.
If you adhere to that, then you must really despise the Cuban who gets in a rickety boat and sails 90 miles across open ocean to escape Fidel's socialist utopia. Blast the cowardly Cuban for cutting and running when he should stay and wait for change, right?
I admire them more than the ones who sit and bitch and moan and complain about how bad things are and how unjust things are and how someday, SOMEDAY, they're actually going to do something about it. People like you.
You're asking me if I prefer socialism or fascism. Can I say neither?
Have you ever tried being honest? I almost forgot! You were honest on that one thread where you admitted to being a 'troll'.
How many times have I replied to you on a thread in the last six months? Once? Twice?
How many times have I showed up at this Florida address that you claim to have? How many letters have I sent there? Suspicious packages? What's that? None!
How many private replies have you gotten from me? Please speak up. None!
Some obsession.....
Like a lot of yankees, you have a highly inflated opinion of yourself.
Any other board would ban you for your obsession with destroying me personally in the real world.
The fact that I'm still here is proof enough that you are a lying cur dog. As a matter of fact, any other board would ban you for being a notorious troll.
BTW, did you piss yourself writing this reply? Sounds pitiful.
Is your defense of the dead confederacy worth my life?
That’s a simple question. Answer it
I did. Anything coming from you will be revisionist repudiations, aka, lies.
Nor will you. Not while I'm around.
Do your worst, bluebelly.
Secede first, then ask me that question.
In other words, you can't answer the question. No surprise there.
I admire them more than the ones who sit and bitch and moan and complain about how bad things are and how unjust things are and how someday, SOMEDAY, they're actually going to do something about it. People like you.
So, based on your above statement, if the Southern states leave yours and obama's socialist utopia, we will gain your everlasting admiration?
Cute reply. Better than your usual bile filled bilge.
BTW, which do you attribute to me? Socialist or facist?
But not your own facts. So true.
Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856 in response to an address by Pres. Pierce: “There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages.” [Though too idle for sanctimonious Yankees.]
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Lee%20on%20Slavery.htm
And much later:
“So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained.”
So long as they were property then the Southerners didn’t have a problem. It’s when they were free that the issues came up.
There’s that Pharisaical Yankee sanctimony bubbling up again. After the war was over, do you recall which Union states welcomed the newly freed slaves? Hint: There weren’t any. Every northern state without exception rushed to enact laws inhibiting the settlement of blacks.
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