NYT: At Lincoln Memorial, a Call for Religious Rebirth (Crowd Estimate)

New York Sl/imes ^ | 8/28/2010 | KATE ZERNIKE and CARL HULSE

[GVnana]

WASHINGTON — An enormous and impassioned crowd rallied at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday, summoned by Glenn Beck, a conservative broadcaster who called for a religious rebirth in America at the site where the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his famous “I Have a Dream” speech 47 years ago to the day.

“Something that is beyond man is happening,” Mr. Beck said in opening the event as the crowd thronged near the memorial grounds. “America today begins to turn back to God.”

It was part religious revival, part history lecture, as Mr. Beck invoked the founding fathers and the “black-robed regiment” of pastors of the Revolutionary War and spoke of American exceptionalism.

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Officials do not make crowd estimates because they are unreliable and can be controversial, but event organizers put the number of attendees at 500,000; NBC News said it was closer to 300,000, but by any measure it was a large turnout. The crowd stretched from the Lincoln Memorial to the Washington Monument.

[Elsie]

Wow!

How can one disagree with THAT logic!

[Elsie]

...he said that the Book or Mormon mentions Christ more than the New Testament.

But provided no DATA to solidify his CLAIM.

[dusttoyou]

Remedial reading would be a good course to take plus maybe something like critical thinking.

If I was confident they were real Christians, not just church-goers on Sunday just to impress their neighbors and butt-heads the rest of the week.

[Elsie]

... and your constant spamming every Beck thread is beyond the pale.

Which galls you the most:

MORMON 'scripture' postings or,

Biblical Scriptures?

[Elsie]

You know darn well what Vigilanteman is saying, there is a little cabal here on FR who have set yourselves up as knowing who is more Christian than the other......

 

 

 

Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Elsie]

You know darn well what Vigilanteman is saying, there is a little cabal here on FR who have set yourselves up as knowing who is more Christian than the other......

 

 

 

 

Coming soon!

 

To a door near you!!!

 

 

[Elsie]

... there is a little cabal here on FR who have set yourselves up as knowing who is more Christian than the other......

Yup!!

Sure have!

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2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.

[Springfield Reformer]

Well, any given member of the Catholic church might be a closet Baptist at heart, and any given Mormon might be a closet evangelical. But like you say, I’m not privy to that. Beck has chosen to publically associate himself with the Mormon religion and it’s teaching and he’s a big boy and certainly willing to accept the consequences of that decision. I respect that, but one of those consequences is the inevitable comparison of his church’s teaching with that of traditional Biblical Christianity. They are objectively not the same, as both parties to the debate will tell you.

But more to the point of my original post, I heard Beck’s presentation, and if he were following Scripture and the explicit teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, he would not and could not advise people to find God in churches/temples/mosques that reject God’s Son.

I understand how difficult to swallow that is, I really do, but as I pointed out before, it’s not even my idea. I would love to be a Unitarian. No, really, I would if I could. I would love to think that everything will turn out great in the end for everybody. Unfortunately, I cannot believe both that and the words of Jesus. That logic you find so distasteful is authoritative Christian doctrine. So if you put me in the dilemma of choosing between being a nice squishy Unitarian like Beck or following what Jesus said even if it makes me unpopular, I hope you realize I have no choice. I have to go with Jesus on this one.

[Arizona Carolyn]

I have asked you never to post to me again, next time I will hit the abuse button, I am not interested in anything you have to say and your spam is beyond irritating.

[Elsie]

I’m a Presbyterian.

WHY do you STAY in that UNTRUE sect??

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When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home.

And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was.

I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.”

I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

[Elsie]

Just my opinion, but I have never attended a church that did not in some fashion require works as a condition of salvation.

Sadly true.

So MANY use GUILT as a way of controlong the flock.

Oh; ALL will say you are saved by grace; and then some will subtly tell you that you're "kept by works."

[Elsie]

I have asked you never to post to me again, next time I will hit the abuse button, I am not interested in anything you have to say and your spam is beyond irritating.

The time is NOW!

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ANYONE who posts on FR is liable to get a reply from ANYONE else.

If you cannot handle things from me; <DO NOT READ THEM!

[Gamecock]

It is been said that through Hymns we sing the faith into our hearts.

Here is an example of works righteousness sung by Mormons:

“In Humility, Our Savior”

Then, when we have proven worthy
Of thy sacrifice divine,
Lord, let us regain thy presence;
Let thy glory round us shine.

[Arizona Carolyn]

I just hit abuse with the following message.. just want you to know as I've told you to leave me alone and you chose to taunt me again with your spam:

I have asked Elsie over and over again to stop spamming me on Beck threads with her anti-Mormon her brand of Christianity "stuff".. I am not a Mormon, I do not subscribe to the religion or it's tenents, I do like Glen Beck and resent every Beck thread being taken over by constant anti-Mormon rants. PLEASE reign her in.

[Moby Grape]

Sandra Tannner, great, great grandaughter of Brigham Young:

“The real clincher was when we got to “Blood Atonement.” I read where he said, “Let me suppose the case where I caught my brother in bed with my wife. I would immediately put a javelin through them both and this would save them and I would be justified.”, blah, blah, blah. This is loving your neighbors as yourself kind of stuff. There are certain sins you can commit that the blood of Christ won’t cover? Where you own blood has to be shed?”

“Here I am, this young girl, raised in a Mormon house, raised to idealize Brigham Young. My whole world just fell apart. Because I knew at that moment that Brigham Young didn’t talk to God. Or let me put it the other way. I knew God wasn’t talking to Brigham Young.”

[NoRedTape]

Click here to read all about mormonism.

Next, they'll be pushing Romney on us all.
The mormons believe in a different "Christ"; not the Christ from the Bible. They are a cult. Why? Because religious cults revere a leader outside of Christ himself. Religious cults also require 'supporting' reading material (Joe's bogus books). No other Christian denomination needs anything but the Bible. Joe Smith called Christianity an "abomination".

 

[maine-iac7]

What you said. All of it ;o)

[CynicalBear]

“No other Christian denomination needs anything but the Bible”

Catholics use nothing but the Bible now?

[CynicalBear]

I have only one question.

Do Mormon’s believe that the only way to be saved is to “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ”.

[daisy mae for the usa]

GVNana, I apologize for my late arrival to this thread, and further I apologize for this post, which will continue to derail a “size of the crowd” thread, but perhaps you won’t mind? Feel free to derail me in the future—I won’t mind.

To all—I have been reading with complete fascination the various comments related to mormonism vs. Christianity, and one thing stands out as something everyone shares and that is a passion for doing right by God. Wow!! That is a beautiful thing!! I can’t tell you how many times I have posted at FR that America needs to turn to God only to be “redirected” back to the economy or liberals or whatever...not God...we don’t want to talk about that!!! But today, on this thread, it’s ALL ABOUT GOD!!! I love it!

Could it be that on this thread we are treating two different concepts as only one concept?

Concept one: “the Body of Christ” specifically, who is in and who is out.

Concept two: “one nation under God” specifically, how do we refine and reinforce monotheism, and who is best to help shape that process.

Regarding concept one: that will not be solved without opening the Bible and seeing only what God says. It would seem that that type of Bible study would be best done as a forum.

Regarding concept two: This is where Glenn Beck was Saturday. Perhaps we can set Mr. Beck aside for a moment, and consult God’s own words on the subject.

Acts 17: 24-29 Time: A.D. Roman Government, Place: Athens, Speaker: Paul by inspiration from God, Religion being addressed: polytheism.

For convenience sake, here is the passage from NKJV:

24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.

Verses 26-27 are key related to out nation. We are a nation whose founding documents allow an individual the freedom to “seek” “grope” and “find” God without interference from government. Our founding documents recognize the universal truth that God wishes people to have freedom to do this. That is why our form of government was called an “experiment” because it sought to do what no other before had done— it put man under God, not man under man.

NOW TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY: (for those of us who still believe the founding fathers got it right.)

The question seems to be...
How do we grow our Republic to a more positive future, while not compromising the original beginning and intent?

For years this has been attempted by expanding on the idea of “liberty.” This has brought us Roe vs. Wade and Prop 8, among other things.

The rub comes in when we start to see expanding on liberty without basing the expansion on universal truths thus causes governing difficulties. Example: Abortion. Think Cain and Abel. From the beginning life was sacred. Why? God put His own breath in the human— not the dog, bird, or frog — into the human. This is a UNIVERSAL TRUTH.

It is my thinking (opinion) that for this republic to move forward while still remaining “under God” we must first KNOW and then have the FORTITUDE to AFFIRM IN GOVERNMENT the universal truths of God. Then-— we CAN productively expand on the freedoms granted by God under the umbrella of Universal Truths.

What are some other Universal Truths? I have already mentioned the sacred nature of life. Would you all be interested in furthering this thought?