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First Woman Takes Helm of Carrier Group
Military.com ^ | July 31, 2010 | Staff

Posted on 08/04/2010 11:29:31 AM PDT by SloopJohnB

When Nora W. Tyson entered the Navy in 1979, women were not allowed to go to sea on aircraft carriers.

The idea of a woman commanding a mighty carrier strike group? That was certainly for another day.

That day arrived Thursday for Rear Adm. Tyson, who made history in assuming command of Carrier Strike Group Two in a ceremony on board the USS George H.W. Bush.

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KEYWORDS: diversity; military; navair; navy
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To: SloopJohnB

I fear RDML Tyson is a point-women on the just announced Navy order to use affirmative action to bypass better qualified white males. We’ll see.


61 posted on 08/04/2010 12:44:05 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: US Navy Vet

Seriously, please consider giving the thread some of the wisdom you’ve accumulated during your multi-decade naval career.

You have a terrific chance to contribute on a subject we might indeed expect you to know something about. Don’t just call Tyson a b*tch and start a yelling match. Look at her record, or share some anecdotes about Affirmative Action hires in the service. We invite you to contribute! Go for it!


62 posted on 08/04/2010 12:47:42 PM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: rahbert

Nah! That would take away the fun for the arm chair generals on here....I hope she is kick-ass and that because she is a woman, won’t be encumbered by PC crap.


63 posted on 08/04/2010 12:53:21 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn
because she is a woman, won’t be encumbered by PC crap.

That is, unfortunately, a serious point in her favor. PC nonsense is so prevalent and toxic that having a biological get-out-of-jail-free card will be of use to her.

The fact that this 'superpower' is of importance in today's Navy - or indeed anywhere - is a nauseating one of course.

64 posted on 08/04/2010 12:59:30 PM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: SloopJohnB

Unless you have been told repeatedly throughout your life that you CAN’T do something simply because of your sex, you cannot imagine what it’s like to finally achieve it. Keep in mind, I am no supporter of promotions due to PC concerns but with the right candidate who has put in the time, it’s good to have a woman who’s a warrior. Keep in mind that since women were/are barred from combat, they can’t earn the experience to move up the ladder, so it has been a catch-22.


65 posted on 08/04/2010 1:01:59 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: agere_contra

Your post should end any question about whether the new admiral is a “quota” as the comparison of assignments between the two clearly shows her lack of operational assignments that prepare an officer for this level of command. This PC BS is going to get people killed.


66 posted on 08/04/2010 1:02:23 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Statement: "Aside from that I just have to cross my fingers and hope that the Navy wouldn’t entrust thousands of lives, billions of dollars of equipment and a good chunk of our strategic naval power to an affirmative action appointment."

Response: The navy did!

Comment: There is no real(WWII) knock down drag out war on the immediate horizon; hence no real short term harm. This appointment will make the "Femmies" happy and garnish lots of votes.

67 posted on 08/04/2010 1:04:54 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Agreed. Because of A. Action, all female and minority appointments have become tainted with the charge of being mere ‘quotas’, many deservedly so. The initial push for AA was sound, but like all legislation, it became a twisted discriminatory policy itself. It either needs to be abolished or rewritten to it’s true intent; to give due consideration to QUALIFIED “minorities” when hiring, NOT as a quota system.


68 posted on 08/04/2010 1:09:08 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: agere_contra; US Navy Vet

It is good to have someone with naval experience on a thread such as this.


69 posted on 08/04/2010 1:09:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Amberdawn

Please read post #35 for the bio of an officer with the time on the pointy end of the stick that understands combat decision-making and compare that to the assignments list of RADM Tyson. Please let me know which one has really “put in the time” and who is the “warrior”.

PS, I personally know a RADM that is on a joint command assignment in Omaha NE, former Blue Angel and multiple deployment pilot, that should have been considered over RADM Tyson for this command. This was not the right candidate and it was strictly PC, IMO.


70 posted on 08/04/2010 1:10:05 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: agere_contra

I see your point, but in my meaning, it will also aid her in that any problems that arise from the crew cannot be blamed on an “insensitive” white guy, i.e., that she doesn’t understand where other “minorities” are coming from. If she’s smart, she’ll use it to get the best out of her people and lead by example instead of sitting on the sidelines whining about how unfair the Navy is. I agree it would be a disaster if she’s a spineless dolt, but if she turns out to be a strong leader on board, then it’s a plus for the Navy.


71 posted on 08/04/2010 1:18:03 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: T-Bird45
If you are thinking of RADM Anderson, then I have to concur. His bio and operational record are seriously impressive: certainly as good as those of the CSG commanders I've posted on this thread. RADM Tyson should not have been picked over officers with truly extensive experience like the following:

Rear Admiral David O. Anderson, a native of Savannah, Ga., is a 1977 graduate of the University of Georgia. Following commissioning in October 1977, he attended and completed flight training in Pensacola, Fla., and was designated a Naval aviator in July 1979. Anderson completed initial A-6 training with Attack Squadron 42 (VA-42) and was selected as Replacement Pilot of the Year for 1980.

Anderson then reported to VA-65 aboard USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69), where he served as Landing Signal Officer (LSO). He returned to VA-42 in 1983 as an instructor pilot and was designated A-6 LSO of the Year for 1984. He reported to the Navy Flight Demonstration Squadron, the Blue Angels, where he flew the A-4 as Narrator and Opposing Solo for 1985-86 before transitioning to the F/A-18 as Lead Solo pilot for 1987. In October 1988, he reported to VA-85 aboard USS America (CV-66).

Transitioning to the Navy Reserve in July 1990, Anderson reported to VA-0686 as Executive Officer. After the decommissioning of VA-0686 in November 1991, he transferred to Eastern Atlantic (EASTLANT) where he served as operations officer. From 1995 to 2002, he had four Navy Reserve commands. Anderson completed numerous overseas assignments to Italy in support of combat operations in Bosnia and Kosovo. He has also deployed to Brazzaville, Congo; Tbilisi, Georgia and Sidney, Australia with various Joint Task Forces. He has served with numerous Carrier Strike Groups in support of Joint Task Force Exercises and represented 2nd Fleet to North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)for Joint Force Air Component Command issues.

After his selection to Flag rank in 2002, Anderson was assigned as Deputy Commander, Network Warfare Command. He served as Director of Force Integration at U.S. Fleet Forces Command in 2003 and in October 2004 he was assigned as Deputy Commander, 2nd Fleet. During this tour he also served as Deputy Commander, Navy Region Mid-Atlantic. In October 2006 he reported back to U.S. Fleet Forces Command as Vice Commander.

His personal decorations include the Legion of Merit (4), Meritorious Service Medal (2), Navy & Marine Corps Commendation Medal (4), and the Navy & Marine Corps Achievement Medal. He has accumulated over 4,500 hours in the T-28, T-2, TA-4J, A-4F, A-6E, and F/A-18 and logged over 650 carrier landings.

72 posted on 08/04/2010 1:39:19 PM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: T-Bird45

I did read the post, but being non-military, couldn’t say what it really encompassed experience wise. I know that former carrier pilots are often considered for the job and that she has both flight and “ship” leadership time on her resume. If you know that others would be better qualified, then so be it, but that she’s not a neophyte was my point.


73 posted on 08/04/2010 1:42:15 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Freeport

Like most 17’s, LOL. A touch more thoughtful and a little on the nerd side, but had a strong sense of what she was and was not interested in. We were more surprised by the English degree than by the Navy enlistment.


74 posted on 08/04/2010 1:42:15 PM PDT by Nora
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To: agere_contra

Exactly right...


75 posted on 08/04/2010 1:44:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Latest most accurate Az Poll to date, of 14 likely voters: McCain 137%, Hayworth -37% (+/- 92%))
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To: Amberdawn
Agreed on not a neophyte but her timeline shows more "in the rear with the gear" rather than the pointy end of the stick. Comparisons at equivalent times in their careers shows her to be landing in joint and school assignments while he was deployed with the fleet and away from family. I think there is a prima facie case for a PC/EO/AA hire in this matter.
76 posted on 08/04/2010 2:05:25 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: happyathome

The ship to the portside of the carrier is an Aegis cruiser. The other ships except the Fast Combat support ship at stern are all Aegis destroyers.


77 posted on 08/04/2010 2:31:31 PM PDT by Seabee1
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To: happyathome

Don’t know what happened to my reply to your comment, but I see 1 Aegis cruiser and 3 Aegis destroyers and one fast combat support ship. What you dont see are submarines, ussually two attack subs.


78 posted on 08/04/2010 2:33:38 PM PDT by Seabee1
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To: T-Bird45

Agreed.


79 posted on 08/04/2010 2:39:33 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Seabee1; happyathome
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80 posted on 08/04/2010 2:40:42 PM PDT by SloopJohnB (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~~ George Orwell)
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