12% See Secession Attempt as Very Likely in Next 25 Years Or So

Rasmussen Reports ^ | 22 June 2010 | Rasmussen Reports

[LTCJ]

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 28% of Adults believe it is at least somewhat likely that some states will try to leave the United States and form an independent country over the next 25 years or so.

[agere_contra]

When they secede, they should call themselves “The Free Republic”

[Crimson Elephant]

Not even Anna?

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[Las Vegas Ron]

The way the bamster is pissing off the folks in Louisiana, you might add them to the list also.

[softwarecreator]

they should call themselves “The Free Republic”

President Jim Robinson ... it has a nice ring, huh?

[AvOrdVet]

How long do you think it would take Texas to form its own military? A large number of the current armed forces are from here, not to mention the guard, and patriots across the state that would join up to protect it.

When Texas makes the move, they will have Texans such as myself flooding back into the state to join the Texas Armed Services and the Feds, no matter how tough they talk, are smart enough not to take on such a battle.

[Canedawg]

GMTA

:-)

[GonzoGOP]

In the same way, look for a bunch of US states to secede at once, like a huge ice shelf breaking away. At least one of those states will have either nukes or military assets. And at least one of them will be Arizona.

Watch Montana. They have an Independent spirit, a border with a friendly country so they can't be starved out, and LGM-30s. If even a few of those get into the hands of the rebels then you have an instant foreign recognition of independence. If NK with a few obsolete bombs and no decent delivery system can blackmail the world, Montana with a hundred 1.5 megaton nukes that they can have anyplace in the world in 30 minutes or less or your money back will make the UN $#!T bricks.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

About one third, coincidentally, supported the first independence movement according to most estimates. The more things change ...

I suspect no more than 1/3 of Southerners supported the slaveowners' rebellion in 1861, that 1/3 consisting largely of the plantation elite, the gullible, the perpetually ignorant and the ultra-provincial who thought Yankees were of a different nation.

[fightinJAG]

We don’t need to break up the union. We need to revitalize a robust operation of the Tenth Amendment, with the federal government actually being limited to its enumerated powers and with the entire house of cards of wealth transfer payments at the federal level mostly ground to a halt.

Then if a state wanted to be socialist, it could knock itself out doing so — with this CRITICAL difference from today: each state would have to finance its social programs with money that state raises, however it can do that. No other state would be required to pay its citizens’ money into a big federal pot so it could be sent to pay for the socialist states’ programs.

If the Tenth Amendment worked the way it was supposed to (if it hadn’t been gutted by Progs over the years), the federal government never would have been able to establish the large number of oppressive wealth transfer programs that exist now. We would remain the United States of America, with the proper federal functions of the military for national defense and so on, but states certainly could choose to tend toward Statist or Free — they’d just have to do so with their own money, based on what income they could earn and on their citizens were willing and able to pay for.

At #37, I posted a link to a fascinating FR thread on these ideas.

Oh, and to do a virtual secessiont there would have to be a drastic revision to the federal income tax.

[Ex-Democrat Dean]

Arizona has Luke AFB. There should be lotsa missiles there.

And, may I nominate Sheriff Joe for President!

[agere_contra]

Good call.

[LTCJ]

The first step for a state that wants to secede is to kick the National Guard out of their state, and replace it with a true state militia.

You're sadly correct about state support. Almost no one knows what portion of their state's budget goes to their state military department. I believe most would be shocked. A few years back Georgia had a line item of less than $1.5M for the State DoD. The feds foot virtually all the bill for the National Guard.

[KingLudd]

Not only in 25 years there will be nothing from which to secede, but citizen-owned guns and bullets will likely be long gone.

[1951Boomer]

I can see balkanization happening. There will be “sanctuary states” for patriots just as there are sanctuary cities and states for illegals. It’s already happening. For example, contrast Taxachusetts/New Yawk/New Joisey with Texas/Tennessee/Oklahoma.

[fightinJAG]

I say let each state decide if they want to be socialist or Free. So long as they pay their own way, they should be able to have any kind of social services policies they want.

Big caveat: so long as they pay their own way and don’t take money from the citizens of other states to fund their goodie bags.

[fightinJAG]

Yes, a very intense one-third seems to be the general historical rule.

[WKUHilltopper]

More like 25 weeks...

[craigster_nc]

12% of the people would think this is done with a scissors! lol

[GonzoGOP]

Precisely the reason to cal it Secession - let’s get used to calling a spade a hoe

That's the mistake the South made last time. Although the phrase didn't exist then, they go into the face of the Northern states. Grabbed all the federal assets, and tried to coerce states like Missouri and Kentucky that voted against secession into the Confederacy. They laid claim to all the Western Territories, even those north of the Mason Dixon. They fired on Fort Sumter even though the garrison commander had told them that he would have to surrender without a shot in three days due to lack of food. It made war inevitable, which considering the South's confidence in their own superiority didn't matter a bit to them. Four years later at Appomattox some of them might have wished they had given the antiwar northerners a little more political cover in 1861.

There is a time to spit in a man's face, and a time to just take your ball and go home. You can have independence or revenge. But getting both without a lot of destruction and bloodshed is unlikely. And don't forget this time Sherman will have nukes.

[scory]

I agree. I doubt there will be a formal vote to secede as was done by the southern states in 1860/61. Instead there will be various acts passed to nullify federal authority within the state(s). And these may be targeted at specific acts such as Obamacare or another “stimulous” or an attempt to disarm citizens or to give blanket amnesty to illegal aliens.