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To: izzatzo

We don’t need to break up the union. We need to revitalize a robust operation of the Tenth Amendment, with the federal government actually being limited to its enumerated powers and with the entire house of cards of wealth transfer payments at the federal level mostly ground to a halt.

Then if a state wanted to be socialist, it could knock itself out doing so — with this CRITICAL difference from today: each state would have to finance its social programs with money that state raises, however it can do that. No other state would be required to pay its citizens’ money into a big federal pot so it could be sent to pay for the socialist states’ programs.

If the Tenth Amendment worked the way it was supposed to (if it hadn’t been gutted by Progs over the years), the federal government never would have been able to establish the large number of oppressive wealth transfer programs that exist now. We would remain the United States of America, with the proper federal functions of the military for national defense and so on, but states certainly could choose to tend toward Statist or Free — they’d just have to do so with their own money, based on what income they could earn and on their citizens were willing and able to pay for.

At #37, I posted a link to a fascinating FR thread on these ideas.

Oh, and to do a virtual secessiont there would have to be a drastic revision to the federal income tax.


49 posted on 06/25/2010 1:51:04 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: fightinJAG

“Then if a state wanted to be socialist, it could knock itself out doing so”

But socialism is predicated on confiscating money from the productive classes. Socialists are always parasites and cannot co-exist with capitalists. Even if a wall of economic separation could be erected between socialist and capitalist states, the socialist, by his very Luciferian nature, would seek to destroy the capitalist as an end in itself.


72 posted on 06/25/2010 3:05:24 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: fightinJAG
We don’t need to break up the union. We need to revitalize a robust operation of the Tenth Amendment, with the federal government actually being limited to its enumerated powers and with the entire house of cards of wealth transfer payments at the federal level mostly ground to a halt.

Hey legal eagle. Were past the talking stage. Keep yapping and playing THEIR game.Your false hope is going to get us into communism...

85 posted on 06/26/2010 2:41:41 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fightinJAG

“We don’t need to break up the union. We need to revitalize a robust operation of the Tenth Amendment, with the federal government actually being limited to its enumerated powers and with the entire house of cards of wealth transfer payments at the federal level mostly ground to a halt.”

Excellent point. Was talking with an Aussie economist friend about the EU. As I was lamenting the efforts by Brussels to regulate everything and redistribute, he said that quite simply, the point was to be a MONETARY UNION, as that helps to prevent wars.

If you think about it, the US was a similar construct, with very limited Federal powers which were designed to keep each state from fighting with each other or screwing their neighbor on trade.

US 2.0, sticking with the original founding documents as amended with some clarifications on the 14th, per Rand Paul, and omission of the 17th.


88 posted on 06/26/2010 3:34:53 PM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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