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Didn't Judge Shumate get the memo?

Since when do banks have to follow laws?!?

http://www.foreclosurehamlet.org

1 posted on 06/06/2010 6:42:28 AM PDT by Chunga85
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B of A does not cooperate on mortgage adjustments, because they don’t have to.

B of A

Wells Fargo

Friend to the illegal immigrant

Enemy of the people.


2 posted on 06/06/2010 6:45:54 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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What evidence do you have the banks were not following the law?

The judge is playing tyrant by forcing his narrow minded views


4 posted on 06/06/2010 6:49:15 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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Congratulations taxpayer. Aren’t you glad now that you rewarded BACs moral hazard with a bailout instead of going bankrupt as they deserved?


9 posted on 06/06/2010 6:57:29 AM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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This sounds like a preemption argument, pure and simple. Does the state law requiring the lender to have people in the state hold up for a nationally-chartered bank. There are probably arguments on both sides for that. The Utah law sounds fair but also sounds a lot like laws that have been struck down before too. Then there is this, which is troubling:

The Judge felt so strong about the case before him, he issued the preliminary injunction order without a hearing halting the foreclosure process.

So if I had to guess, I'd say the judge was grandstanding to help the "little people".

12 posted on 06/06/2010 6:59:30 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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Very interesting. The judge is scoring this one for state's rights. He isn't saying the Bank of America can't foreclose on the properties. He's just saying the bank has to comply with state law to do it.

The Bank of America is going to try to trump the state's rights position with the well-worn "federal government uber alles" commerce clause gambit.

I support the judge and admire his courage.

15 posted on 06/06/2010 7:02:49 AM PDT by behzinlea
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First they reverse a legal order to deport Obama’s aunt, now telling the banks not to foreclose. Enter stage left....Kagan.. The judiciary is out of control. BTW, which Obama apparatchik is Cuffy Miegs?


21 posted on 06/06/2010 7:06:03 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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One would have to be here, to believe the turn of events in St. George, UT. When I got here in fall of 2006, things were booming. Fortunately, I am a procrastinator, and didn’t take my real estate expert sister’s advice to hurry up and BUY NOW. The truthful answer is that I was working so many hours, I was too damn tired to go house-hunting. Lucky for me, or I’d be prolly penniless and homeless.

Hard to see what good comes out of the judge’s order, though. There are so many vacant homes and commercial parcels.

And it’s only going to get worse here, as the amigos seeking to elude the new AZ immigration law are not only on their way.....they are now here. In full force.


23 posted on 06/06/2010 7:07:17 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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Since when,

can a judge dictate civil law between a private loan contract and individuals involved in legal default proceedings covered under the terms of a legal and binding loan agreement?

This “judge” just declared all previously legal and binding sales contracts to be void. He has appointed himself to be above the law and in essence, he now IS the law.

OUTRAGEOUS!!!!


25 posted on 06/06/2010 7:08:22 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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Since when did bank America, stop giving credit cards and loans to illegals.


28 posted on 06/06/2010 7:10:47 AM PDT by org.whodat
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From the article:

The second part of the motion, Barlow filed, claims that neither the lender, nor MERS*, nor Bank of America, nor any other Defendant, has any remaining interest in the mortgage Promissory Note. The note has been bundled with other notes and sold as mortgage-backed securities or otherwise assigned and split from the Trust Deed. When the note is split from the trust deed, “the note becomes, as a practical matter, unsecured.” Restatement (Third) of Property (Mortgages) § 5.4 cmt. a (1997). A person or entity only holding the trust deed suffers no default because only the Note holder is entitled to payment. Basically, “[t]he security is worthless in the hands of anyone except a person who has the right to enforce the obligation; it cannot be foreclosed or otherwise enforced.” Real Estate Finance Law (Fourth) § 5.27 (2002).

If he is successful on this point the secondary mkt for mortgages will be crippled.

My first thought was in favor of BOA because if you borrow money you should pay it back or return the collateral. However, the judge does have a point about state laws being respected and if a bank does not want to abide by the state laws they should stop doing business in that state.

29 posted on 06/06/2010 7:11:20 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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‘The second part of the motion, Barlow filed, claims that neither the lender, nor MERS*, nor Bank of America, nor any other Defendant, has any remaining interest in the mortgage Promissory Note. The note has been bundled with other notes and sold as mortgage-backed securities or otherwise assigned and split from the Trust Deed. When the note is split from the trust deed, “the note becomes, as a practical matter, unsecured.” Restatement (Third) of Property (Mortgages) § 5.4 cmt. a (1997). A person or entity only holding the trust deed suffers no default because only the Note holder is entitled to payment. Basically, “[t]he security is worthless in the hands of anyone except a person who has the right to enforce the obligation; it cannot be foreclosed or otherwise enforced.” Real Estate Finance Law (Fourth) § 5.27 (2002).’

Interesting,very interesting indeed.


30 posted on 06/06/2010 7:12:29 AM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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I did some research on that Recontrust Company a while back, and based on what I've learned I couldn't possibly comment on the merits of this decision (either way).

Recontrust is a subsidiary of Bank of America that apparently is in the business of "owning" troubled mortgages. I don't think the company has ever lent a single penny directly to a home owner.

Under these circumstances there is likely to be a lot of dispute over which entity actually holds the mortgage on a piece of property, and therefore which entity has the right to foreclose on the property.

34 posted on 06/06/2010 7:14:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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Why are Freepers so set on the idea that banks should have to tear up their mortgage contracts with their customers and give concessions or ‘make adjustments’?

Meanwhile, is this a local ‘states rights’ judge taking on the banking regulation order whereby national banks are indeed regulated nationally?


35 posted on 06/06/2010 7:15:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Judge James L. Shumate Orders Halt to Bank of America Foreclosures

Judges like this are telling people "hey, go ahead and stop paying for your house, it's ok! I'll stop the bank from foreclosing on you!" This is why the number of "strategic defaults" in this country has gone from 19% to 32% in one year.

"Strategic Defaults" are done by those people who could otherwise pay for their mortgage and honor their legal commitment to the bank, but choose not to because the loan value is higher than the current home value.

You read that right: These are people that can and should be paying for their homes - they can afford it - but they choose not to which screws the rest of us who've played by the rules and paid for our homes.

This country is completely upside down from what it should be. What used to be wrong is now right, what used to be right is now wrong. What used to be a shameful thing to do (default on one's mortgage) is now considered "strategic."

The carnage that BO and his evil minion's have wrought upon this country will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all ........

43 posted on 06/06/2010 7:21:08 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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“watching out for the “little people” and citizen’s rights”

The very act of interfering with the contract between an individual and the mortgage servicer/bond issuer/bond holder does great harm to the “little people”. If an lender/bond purchaser cannot be sure that they can foreclose on their collateral, sell it and get their money then there is considerable added risk added to the transaction. Risk equals higher interest rate and more restrictive lending. Higher interest rate and more restrictive lending means fewer “little people” can qualify for a loan.

So go ahead give all those who borrowed money the right to live in the house and not pay the bond holder. Eventually, if mortgages for loans are even available any more, they will be at 15% or a maximum of 70% loan to value or less like they had prior to the modern mortgage system instigated after WWII. It would never have developed if lenders/banks/bond holders were not allowed their contractual recourse.

74 posted on 06/06/2010 7:57:47 AM PDT by Any Fate But Submission
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BOA is still dealing with the mountain of crappy loans they inherited through the Countrywide merger.

In most cases, Countrywide did not originate the crappy loans, they bought them to collect the servicing fees when other lenders dumped the loans off their books into mortgage back securities after the homeowners started to make late payments.

At the end Countrywide was top heavy invested in mortgage backed securities. The bust of 2008 started the avalanche that triggered foreclosures on a lot of their countrywide portfolio.


75 posted on 06/06/2010 8:02:00 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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Ping


82 posted on 06/06/2010 8:25:52 AM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert)
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If anyone in Utah pays another mortgage payment they are fools.


84 posted on 06/06/2010 8:26:27 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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Pay up your obligations or go live on the street!


119 posted on 06/06/2010 9:40:22 AM PDT by dalereed (in)
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Most of the discussion focuses on foreclosure following a homeowner’s failure to make mortgage payments. Since this issue first became prominent, I have had a related question.

What happens if your mortgage and promissory note were properly issued and recorded along with a lien on the property. The mortgage was subsequently sold and collateralized and payments collected by a loan servicing company with no ownership in the actual note. When the final note is paid, what entity is responsible for and has the legal authority to release the recorded lien? Is there a real possibility that when many homeowners think they have paid off their mortgages, they will have problems receiving clear title to the property?

It seems the lack of a proper paper trail poses a risk for both homeowner and mortgage holder.


139 posted on 06/06/2010 10:52:53 AM PDT by etcb
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