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Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread #21
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Posted on 06/02/2010 1:42:42 PM PDT by RGVTx

This is a consolidation of the current threads on FR. It is intended to make discussion and updates easier.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526123/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2526200/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526225/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526245/posts


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To: amom
Still questions to be answered...as mentioned over at SM. As in why was she in her panties?

A purported video of the crime scence is linked below. This video is not particularly grisly, but discretion may advised due to the nature of the subject.

BREAKING NEWS-URGENTE HOLANDES VAN DER SLOOT CONFIESA/CONFESSES

The Youtube video linked above, which I found at websleuths, is of a newscast (in Spanish) that apparently shows the victim lying on the hotel room floor (26-28 sec mark).

The victim in this video is fully clothed.

841 posted on 06/07/2010 10:24:51 PM PDT by longjack
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To: amom
Although I don't know if it's accurate, I'm certain that I've read that he had her laptop when he was apprehended.

It's probably inaccurate though....

842 posted on 06/07/2010 10:31:11 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: longjack

Inotherwords, it’s a ‘reenactment’ of the crime scene?


843 posted on 06/07/2010 10:32:25 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: longjack

Excellent. Thank you VERY MUCH. It is appreciated.


844 posted on 06/07/2010 10:33:58 PM PDT by amom
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To: 1066AD
I doubt she reads DUTCH, but Joran could is fluent in Dutch, the Aruban dialects, in Spanish, and in English --- so news articles could be in an array of languages, and whoooooo knows what photos she may have come across??

Also, although she did not recognize him when she met him, it's entirely possible that she DID know who Natalee Holloway & JVDS were, ya know?

845 posted on 06/07/2010 10:35:31 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

Oh sure. Just lots of inconsistencies given the wobbly Google translations etc, I’m sure it’ll all come out pretty soon now. One sicko for sure, seem to remember he brutally killed his pet dog at a young age & his parents had him in anger management class.

I’m glad there’s no extradition between Peru & the Netherlands, whether he gets six or twenty years they’ll be utterly horrible whereas in EU he’d get a comfy cell & so on not to mention a bunch of psychobabble about “anger”.

I really hope that the Aruba case can now be settled for the peace of mind of that poor family.


846 posted on 06/07/2010 10:50:43 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: hennie pennie
Inotherwords, it’s a ‘reenactment’ of the crime scene?

I have no idea, since I don't speak Spanish very well.

For me, This is just another piece of media information that needs further research before it can be considered valid.

I included the links to the Youtube video and the websleuth's site so that those interested could provide more specific details if they so desired.

847 posted on 06/07/2010 10:55:04 PM PDT by longjack
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To: hennie pennie
I've read that he had her laptop when he was apprehended.

I've read/heard that as well. Which leads one to ask the obvious. Where is HIS laptop? Maybe in Santiago along with his credit cards etc? At that place he slept at but doesn't remember the address?

One of the hardest thing about dealing with habitual liars is that you have to assume whatever they say is not true. That get's so darned tiring. LOL

848 posted on 06/07/2010 10:56:17 PM PDT by amom
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To: 1066AD

Joran had many of his social networking sites in English, so who knows what language much of what’s on his computer was in.

But I think it could also refer to her perhaps googling him and then learning about it - and with as easy as it is to switch google between languages (it’ll typically do it automatically as you travel as it realizes where you are - going to the local language) she could easily have read it in Spanish instead of whichever language Joran had it set to.

Joran does, I’m sure, have two passports - an Aruban one and a Dutch one.

I’m guessing the one that was taken (by the hotel) was the Aruban one based on the stamps in it and an article I read.


849 posted on 06/07/2010 10:58:29 PM PDT by mfccinsd
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To: longjack
FWIW this says he was with women in Colombia and his mother will reach Lima in hours. Disclaimer: I have no idea of the validity of this site. lol

By J. Yucra
Joran van der Sloot arrived in Lima on May 14, but a week before he was in Bogota, Colombia, where he went to casinos and surrounded himself with women, some of which have disappeared and are wanted by the police.

"During his stay abroad he stayed in two hotels in Bogotá", published a local newspaper, which tells us that there are several girls who are as non-gotten.

On the other hand, in the coming hours would reach Lima, Anita van der Sloot, Joran's mother, from Aruba. On Sunday she spoke with her son, who assured him: "I have not been. I am being accused. I am innocent."

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-07/ontractualidad1093734.html

From post 1022 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8058.1020

850 posted on 06/07/2010 11:03:35 PM PDT by amom
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Interesting that the bed in this picture has a flowered bed cover in the middle of it...while it does not appear in the video at all. The photo is more like I remember seeing the room early on. I so wished I’d have saved those photos. *sigh*

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-07/ontractualidad1093733.html


851 posted on 06/07/2010 11:30:55 PM PDT by amom
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To: All
ALERT TO NEW THREADS, EVERYBODY!

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Van der Sloot confesses to Peru slaying ............................ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2529894/posts

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Report: Van der Sloot Confesses to Peru Murder ......................... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2529909/posts

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Van der Sloot confesses to murder, Peruvian authorities say ...................... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2529953/posts

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Joran van der Sloot Confesses to Killing Peruvian Woman, Official Says ..................... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2529895/posts

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Joran: I brutally murdered Peru gal ........................ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2529949/posts

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852 posted on 06/08/2010 5:20:14 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

“Are they “real” newspapers or South American tabloids?”

What’s the difference? “Real” newspapers like the NYTimes and the WaPo have devolved into propaganda organs for the left. And then the National Enquirer broke the John Edwards story.

I view foreign newspapers as usually more credible than our domestic ones. Refreshingly, they generally don’t buy into this myth that a newspaper can or should be unbiased. So you have newspapers that are openly left wing, center, right wing, etc.


853 posted on 06/08/2010 5:41:31 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Repudiate the 0bama debt)
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To: All; chilltherats
Interesting posting from another thread:

>>>> "I'm not getting why you folks are buying his story. First, it makes no sense. Second, what he says happened carries a much, much chorter sentence than murder for robbery or pleasure do. The victim was robbed of quite a bit of money and her jewelry. Her father is also now saying her bank account was accessed while she was with Joran. What Joran says happened carries 6-20 years. What the evidence indicates carries 25-35. The Peruvian authorities have a ton of evidence against him. He had to confess to something to get his version out there to avoid letting the evidence dictate the truth." <<<<<

97 posted on 06/08/2010 2:57:40 AM PDT by chilltherats
Joran van der Sloot Confesses to Killing Peruvian Woman, Official Says ..................... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2529895/posts?q=1&;page=51

855 posted on 06/08/2010 5:50:46 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie
Thank you for the ping..

I always believed Natalee was still alive and this monster sold her to some other pervert...now I am not so sure..So far he hasn't confessed to that murder, at least not to the right people..To think that this savage got away with other slaying..I do hope that the he gets the death sentence and we all are ride of this sick punk..

My prayers go out to all these family's..

856 posted on 06/08/2010 5:55:40 AM PDT by PLD (be)
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To: RGVTx

DontTreadOnMe2009

The Holloway case has followed many twists and turns. Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach from being drunk. He said he believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea. Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

The journalist, Peter de Vries, reported later in 2008 that he had documented van der Sloot recruiting Thai women in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands.


I don’t believe this POS’s original story -—

if you are on the beach with a girl and she suddenly goes unconscious, you don’t say Oh shit let’s find a place to bury the body;

you call an ambulance or call the cops.

I think he beat the first one to death on the beach, just like the second, and so had to hide the body cuz there was no way to explain away the injuries ...

I read he beat the second one so badly she was unrecognizable with one eye out ...

Sorry everyone.

I think he, and his father, cruise casinos for young girls and then -— did you read? -— when things go wrong the judge father advises punky boy “If there is no body there is no case”. I also read that the father helped dispose of the first body.

Everyone for years kept saying Oh Natalie must have passed out, taken drugs, drunk too much ........

Or did she just say something to this frowning low brow creep that set him off? Just as, it seems, did the girl from the casino ... at 5 AM ... in Peru.

Girls:

Don’t go back to hotels rooms with really ugly scowling b*stards at 5 AM ——— go home instead !!!


857 posted on 06/08/2010 6:02:49 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

“I think he beat the first one to death on the beach, just like the second,...”

And it makes you wonder about a third, and a fourth, etc. The guy’s a serial killer so it’s doubtful there are only two casualties. We’re only aware of two.


858 posted on 06/08/2010 6:08:41 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Every time a liberal whines, an angel gets his wings.)
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To: hennie pennie

Thanks Hennie. I’m getting a late start today.

Joran confessed, huh? Did the police beat it out of him?


859 posted on 06/08/2010 6:20:42 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: hennie pennie

Well, I looked for the article(s) where I read about her missing an eye and can’t find it. I know it was early in the investigation when I read it. Oh well ... if I ever find it I’ll let you know.


860 posted on 06/08/2010 6:26:18 AM PDT by girlscout (Why didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes?)
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