(and I thought only DUer's were this ignorant. You have been duped).
Better solutions? How about advanced medical technology ...
Although I’m a Conservative, I have no problem with abortion as long as I’m not paying for it for a bunch of reasons.
So I have a few questions for the anti-abortion crowd:
Are any of you old enough to recall the days when young girls got their abortions in the back alley?
Would you like to return to those days?
Is there some other way to deal with behavior that we find morally reprehensible because your current methods not only aren’t working, they’re backfiring and giving our enemies ammunition to use against us?
Denouncing them, violence against them, etc., doesn’t work. And taking action after they’re already pregnant and contemplating/going for an abortion, e.g., urging them to deliver their babies and give them up for adoption, is like locking the barn door after the horse has left.
The anti-abortion crowd needs better solutions and more self-control because it’s not achieving the results it truly wants, i.e., people to act more responsibly regarding sex and conception.
Well, in my opinion, you lack the facts concerning the status of the unborn person as well as the application of constitutional principles to that person. Either that or you fine with whoever might be killed as long as it doesn’t cost you money. I hope it’s not the latter because that would require a very shallow person.
That is one of the most bogus arguments given to support legalized abortion.
The Centers for Disease Control counted 386 safe and legal abortion deaths during the period 1972 - 2003. Their count doesn't include women who died because their abortions fatally delayed the diagnosis of an ectopic pregnancy. Nor does it count those women whose abortions, unbeknownst to them, turned out to be illegal by the CDC's definitions, such as Myrta Baptiste, whose abortionist's medical license was suspended at the time of her abortion.Diane Adams, 28, of the U.S. Virgin Islands, died in 1992
Eurice Agbagaa, 26, left hemorrhaging in the care of a receptionist, died in 1989
Leigh Ann Alford, 34, died at National Abortion Federation member clinic in 2003
Demetrice Andrews, 22, died from abortion complications in 1988
Mickey Apodaca, 28, whose abortionist was out on bail while challenging a murder conviction, died in 1984
Gloria Aponte, 20, whose NAF member abortionist allowed his receptionist to administer general anesthesia, died in 1986
Charisse Ards, 20, died of post-abortion pelvic infection in 1989
Barbara Auerbach, 38, died from complications of a bowel obstruction caused by her abortion in 1981
KB, age 19, was charted at "pink, alert, responsive" as she died in 1988
Jacqueline Bailey, 29, died from uterine rupture in 1977 Brenda Banks, 35, bled to death in 1989
Myrta Baptiste, 26, died from what the Centers for Disease Control classified as an "illegal" abortion in 1989
Lisa Bardsley, 26, was sent to her motel room, hemorrhaging from internal lacerations that killed her in 1995
Junette Barnes, 27, bled to death in 1988
Deanna Bell, 13, died from an "uneventful" abortion in 1992
Brenda Benton, 35, died of overwhelming septicemia in 1987
Rosario Bermeo, 30, went into cardiac arrest and died in 1983
Janet Blaum, 37, died of anesthesia complications in 1974
Cassandra Bleavins, 20, bled to death in 1971
Linda Boom, 35, died from complications of an obsolete abortion technique in 1995
Diane Boyd, 19, a mentally disabled rape victim, died 1981
Mary Bradley, 41, died from abortion complications in 1985
Dorothy Brant, 22, died of abortion complications in 1986
Dorothy Brown, 37, died within hours of her abortion in 1974
Chanelle Bryant, 22, died after getting abortion drugs from a Family Planning Associates clinic in 2004
Rest of the list
And taking action after they’re already pregnant and contemplating/going for an abortion, e.g., urging them to deliver their babies and give them up for adoption, is like locking the barn door after the horse has left.
Pregnancy outside of marriage has been around since the beginning of time. Abortion is the solution proferred by moral relativists. Then Cardinal Ratzinger addressed this in the homily he delivered to the Cardinals just before they were sequestered in the conclave that elected him pope.
Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be "tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine", seems the only attitude that can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of one's own ego and desires.
The anti-abortion crowd needs better solutions and more self-control because it’s not achieving the results it truly wants, i.e., people to act more responsibly regarding sex and conception.
The answer is quite simple: abstinence. It works all the time. That society continues to adopt the relativist approach, like you, should not require that unborn children be sacrificed on the human altar of egotism.
Sorry Avoth, but if you are a conservative and you believe in abortion, you ain`t no conservative.
What on earth? Why would pro-Lifers have a problem with a baby being born?
It's quite simple. Pro-Lifers want to protect children from being killed. That's it. That's the agenda.
Adoption is a perfectly natural recourse. There is no such thing as an unwanted baby:- there will always be more than enough childless couples who are eager to look after these children.
(and I thought only DUer's were this ignorant. You have been duped).
Better solutions? How about advanced medical technology ...
* My great grandmother almost died from an illegal abortion. The family was very poor and she was afraid they would not be able to provide for the child. This nearly tore the family apart, as my great grandfather wanted the child.
* Failure to provide on the part of the poor is not the issue facing the majority of women today. There is a huge safety net to provide for them, and this is not a barrier to delivering a baby.
Would you like to return to those days?
* See above. A number of studies done on this issue point to pressure by the father of the child as being the primary reason many women chose an abortion. Strong women, or women in loving relationships, are far less likely to consider an abortion than those in casual or destructive relationships.
Is there some other way to deal with behavior that we find morally reprehensible because your current methods not only aren’t working, they’re backfiring and giving our enemies ammunition to use against us?
* Your question presumes facts not in evidence. What methods are you referring to, and what ammunition?
* Your question also presumes that changes in social mores and norms have had no direct impact on how abortion is perceived, but that the failure to stop abortions somehow rests solely on the pro-life movement. This is false.
* Moral relativists have tried repeatedly to diminish the moral impact of abortion (and other issues) by shifting the debate from "morality" to "legality." An entire generation has been reared with the belief that if it's not illegal, it's okay (or even, if it's illegal, but you don't get caught, it's okay).
* Moral relativists have already repeatedly shifted the debate by "dehumanizing" the unborn child. This tactic is very effective (and is used through the military) to make it easier to be the instrument of death for another human being.
* Bills such as this are the perfect tool to combat both, by not only drawing another legal barrier to abortion, but emphasizing the very human quality (experiencing pain) into the debate.
* Moreover, the frequency of abortions in the United States did not happen instantaneously following Roe V. Wade. First, the law changed; then hearts and minds. This is ultimately how the pro-life movement can swing the pendulum back towards the sanctity of life; by law, then hearts and minds.
Let me ask YOU a question -
do you believe extra/pre-marital sex
increased or decreased after abortion was
legalized for all stages of pregnancy?
Abortion: The pagan sacrifice of an innocent childs life for the sins of the mother and father.
Sorry, abortion is a sick and depraved side of our culture that needs to end. A baby can in no way defend itself from the terror of it’s death and remember, every successful abortion is fatal. A return of morals would be a better solution and restoring responsibility vs. an “easy” cheat on life.
Abortionists are akin to people that torture puppies for their own amusement as far as I’m concerned. Both need serious mental help and should be locked away for good.
An American baby is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS and you're paying for it in higher taxes whether you realize it or not.
How can you call yourself a conservative and support the MURDER of 52 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS.
Are any of you old enough to recall the days when young girls got their abortions in the back alley? Would you like to return to those days?
Abortion deaths dropped when modern antibiotics were developed, the so called "back alley" abortions NEVER really existed.
Denouncing them, violence against them, etc., doesn’t work.
You've been listening to the left for too long.
The anti-abortion crowd needs better solutions and more self-control because it’s not achieving the results it truly wants, i.e., people to act more responsibly regarding sex and conception.
The real problem is people like YOU who have no regard for human life.
I'm old enough to remember the time when the radical pro-abortion crowd claims that happened. Like most of their claims, that one is contrary to the facts. Would you like to return to those days?
Yes. Abortion is a shameful, evil, murderous act and should not be sanctioned by the "law".
I have known conservatives, and avoth, you are no conservative.
Avoth -- abortion kills an unborn child.
That means that it's just different from issues like marijuana usage or gambling or prostitution or any other issue which we might find "morally reprehensible", but on which Prohibition fails -- well, as badly as Prohibition usually fails, when both parties are voluntarily seeking to engage in a mutually-desired (albeit immoral), non-violent transaction.
Marijuana doesn't kill anyone, though it may deaden the soul. And the same could be said for the other "personal vices" I've mentioned, as well.
But with Abortion, killing someone is the whole point of the operation!
If a human being doesn't get killed, the abortion didn't get done.
"...Her destructive thoughts were like starving rabid animals, hounding, scratching, and gnawing at her conscience. They left her feeling bewildered, feeling crazy, and ashamed. She desperately yearned to silence these dangerous beasts in her mind."
Although I’m a Conservative, I have no problem with abortion as long as I’m not paying for it for a bunch of reasons.So I have a few questions for the anti-abortion crowd:
Are any of you old enough to recall the days when young girls got their abortions in the back alley? Would you like to return to those days? Is there some other way to deal with behavior that we find morally reprehensible because your current methods not only aren’t working, they’re backfiring and giving our enemies ammunition to use against us?
Denouncing them, violence against them, etc., doesn’t work. And taking action after they’re already pregnant and contemplating/going for an abortion, e.g., urging them to deliver their babies and give them up for adoption, is like locking the barn door after the horse has left.
The anti-abortion crowd needs better solutions and more self-control because it’s not achieving the results it truly wants, i.e., people to act more responsibly regarding sex and conception.
Avoth, no true conservative can say: "I have no problem with abortion..." any more than they can say "I have no problem with government confiscating guns."
Both deal with "conserving" the right to life and never allowing that right to be watered down.
I suspect you aren't a conservative, but are probably some variety of liberal or pro-choice liberatarian who has up to now escaped detection of pro-life Free Republic.
YOU have no problem with ABORTION!!!???
So far as I'm concerned, such comments on Free Republic constitute "trolling" for reactivity from conservatives. In short: troll.
Do you realize that in Europe, if you have a dog, cat, horse, cow etc., you must give painkillers the the baby animal before an abortion can take place?
Can you name any animals that will reach inside it’s womb and tear out their baby animal limb by limb?
Have you ever heard a pregnant woman ask if you would like to feel the fetus move? or is it the baby? Fetus is a medical term. Babies are what they ARE. Created in God image with a soul. How can you be for something that destroys that life before birth? It’s not natural. I have adopted four unwanted children, had two of my own. I couldn’t have done anything less for them. They are God’s Glory. Rethink what you are really saying..........Prayers up!
