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1 posted on 04/21/2010 7:19:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
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I’m looking a lot more at “nearer term” security than at long term security.

I don’t think “long term” is going to exist.


2 posted on 04/21/2010 7:20:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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Not if the obamabots are getting ready to grab your 401K or IRA savings. And they are.


3 posted on 04/21/2010 7:21:06 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU
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I’d be putting that money in beans and ammo. Something that you can use. There won’t be any such thing as a 401k in the future, especially when the feds steal it and use the money to buy crap banks. Cigarettes would be good for barter.


4 posted on 04/21/2010 7:22:40 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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According to this, I’m forked.


5 posted on 04/21/2010 7:23:58 AM PDT by glorgau
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Obama is Marxing out everything.


8 posted on 04/21/2010 7:28:41 AM PDT by ecomcon
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Anyone under 60 that is counting on Social Security is a fool.


9 posted on 04/21/2010 7:30:19 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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Maxing is nice, but it’s not enough... here’s why. Aside from taxes on the monies when you begin withdrawal at 70-1/2 y.o., there is going to be a tidal wave of baby boomers beginning to retire at about the same time, which means all those securities will be on the market to sell at once... so their prices will begin to drop and will steadily decrease as more and more folks retire. So even if your 401K and IRAs are worth a cool million now, in 20 years they may be 1/3rd of that price.


10 posted on 04/21/2010 7:30:55 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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Cash out your 401k. Use that and all your other savings to convince a bank to give you a mortgage on a house you can't possibly afford. Quit your job, lose any healthcare coverage you may have. Furnish your house by maxing out multiple credit cards. Convert to islam. Go crying to the government. You're set for life.
12 posted on 04/21/2010 7:33:11 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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First thing to do is rid yourself of as much debt as you can, I’m in the process of doing that right now and I can tell you the feeling is good.


16 posted on 04/21/2010 7:37:36 AM PDT by ontap
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Most of the prediction tools assume you will need 80% of your present income for retirement. These predictions don’t take into account moving to cheaper places after retiring from jobs in higher expense places.


17 posted on 04/21/2010 7:38:19 AM PDT by rhombus
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We took a big step in getting out of the market this year, and all we’ve got left is very conservative. Lost half last year, and I sincerely believe the current uptick is destined for a major correction or another collapse.

The lack of jobs is a ticking time bomb.


18 posted on 04/21/2010 7:38:40 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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Thank God I have an Employee-Owned Stock Option Plan (ESOP) with my company in addition to a 401K. People here actually retire at 59 1/2. I just don’t see how you can do it with a 401K alone.


19 posted on 04/21/2010 7:39:55 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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Get out of debt and pay off your house. You’ll be surprised how comfortably you can live on limited cash flow when you don’t have to make car, credit card, student loan, or mortgage payments.

After that — save 15 to 25% of your annual income. Invest. Diversify. You’ll be fine.

SnakeDoc


21 posted on 04/21/2010 7:41:36 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant [...] that even a god-king can bleed.")
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I’ve been thinking about investing in farmland...


22 posted on 04/21/2010 7:42:16 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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I feel pretty fortunate to have worked for a company for the last 10 years which gives me 15% of my salary for a SEP-IRA. I started this in my mid 20’s. Combined with paying off debt, I think we and the Mrs. will be just fine.


23 posted on 04/21/2010 7:42:27 AM PDT by MatD
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Isn’t the big 0 going to force those Tax Deferred funds to be converted into Gvm’t notes to keep their tax deferred status??


25 posted on 04/21/2010 7:43:59 AM PDT by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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The liberal government is looking at seizing the nation’s wealth in those 401k plans. They aren’t safe from grabbing hands of the Marxists. Certainly not 40 years safe.


36 posted on 04/21/2010 8:01:25 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (We've gone from phony soldiers to phony conservative protesters. Nothing about liberalism is genuine)
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1) Social Security payments will be effectively $0.00. The Ponzi Scheme will collapse.

2) 4% annual spend presumes stocks do well; make sure lots of your stocks are outside the U.S., at least until the 0bummer Communism is politically finished.

3) 4% presumes low rates of default on the bonds you hold. Avoid too many U.S. government (Fed / State / Local) bonds. They have so many unfunded liabilities (read: union retiree benefits) that many government bonds will default.

4) 4% presumes the U.S. dollar will not become worthless through a period of hyperinflation due to fiscal deficits and / or monetary expansion. Protect yourself with anti-dollar investments in foreign stocks and bonds (unhedged), gold, oil, TIPS (if they don’t default), etc.

Just a few thoughts.


44 posted on 04/21/2010 8:15:49 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (http://www.teapartyslogans.com/cgi-bin/web/index.cgi)
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Interesting notion, but FAIL on the most important part of investing...that of diversification to reduce risk.

401(k)s are appropriate for financial instruments. The prudent investor will invest in other types of investments, and will steer those other dollars in that direction.

47 posted on 04/21/2010 8:24:48 AM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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Which means it's possible that you and your spouse together could save $33,000 a year in your 401(k)s, or up to $44,000 if you're both 50 and older. That's a pretty good sum -- but it may or may not be enough.

As serendippity would have it the average household income in the USofA is 44,000 and change.

Anybody see a problem here?

53 posted on 04/21/2010 8:40:40 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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