Posted on 04/13/2010 8:19:14 AM PDT by Man50D
Washington, D.C., April 13, 2010. Army doctor Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin yesterday met with his brigade commander, Col. Gordon R. Roberts, who proceeded to read LTC Lakin his Miranda rights, and who informed LTC Lakin he had the right to remain silent because LTC Lakin is about to be charged with serious crimes. Col. Roberts was at age 19 awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, the only recipient of the nations highest honor currently on active duty in the Army.
LTC Lakin had previously been ordered in writing to report yesterday to Ft. Campbell, KY and then on to deploy for his second tour of duty in Afghanistan. Lakin refused to obey these orders and instead came to work yesterday morning at the Pentagon. Late yesterday afternoon he was confronted by his brigade commander.
Before the meeting was over, LTC Lakins Pentagon Access Pass had been revoked, and his laptop computer was set to be confiscated.
The message to LTC Lakin is clear; through official channels, he was informed yesterday that he will shortly be court-martialled for crimes (specifically, missing movement and conduct unbecoming an officer) that for others has led to lengthy imprisonment at hard labor.
Lakin has announced in a YouTube video that has now been viewed more than 110,000 times that he considers it his duty to refuse to obey orders that would be illegal if President Obama is ineligible to hold office.
Meanwhile, cries mount for proof of that eligibility, but nothing has been forthcoming. The Obama campaign at one point released a copy of computer-generated abstract of information purportedly in Hawaii's records system, but the source of this information is unclear and need not have been a birth certificate issued contemporaneously and signed by the doctor who attended the birth. Even the document released was only a copy, and the version printed in the Los Angeles Times on June 16, 2008 is on a form only in use since late 2001. Even as it is, the document contains a warning that it is merely prima facie--threshold, rebuttable and thus inconclusive --evidence of birth, and the copy the Times printed mysteriously has the certificate number blacked out, thereby rendering the document unusable according to language on the bottom.
Given the seriousness of the offenses with which LTC Lakin is about to be charged, the American Patriot Foundation today renewed its plea for donations to its legal defense fund for LTC Lakin. Details are available at APF's website, www.safeguardourconstitution.com
You know, I thought this thread had had an unusually sane, thoughtful, reasoned tone to it. Now I realize that was because you weren't here. But now that the Mortimer Snerd of Birtherdom has arrived things can descend to normal.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg Bwa-ha-ha. Still pushing the FactCheck "document." Does it show his father was a British subject, still making Obama a British subject to this day, too? YOU MORONS are working REALLY hard for a Military case that (in your words) "will not go ANYWHERE." LOL you're so, SO obvious!
Give a crooked man $300 and a good reason for him to profit, and he can get a FAKE birth certificate from any number of underground sources. Just like these crooked people HERE:
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At this point, I have kind of gotten into ignorning these kinds of comments.
In fact, he was born in Kenya and is not eligible to hold the office. If it ever gets to a contested trial with competent counsel that is how it will come out. Bet on it.
Missing movement is conduct not expected of an officer. So I doubt they'll have much trouble with the Article 133 as well.
“1. You never posted on any of the eligibilty threads until very, very recently.”
I don’t post on them often, but I have posted on them before. As I said, you are welcome to read ALL of my 11,229 posts if you wish.
“Since you jumped in with both feet on the topic very, very recently, you use scorn and derision and bald assertions as your tactics, without proving wrong any argument by those who have done the painstaking research.”
Your ‘research’ is so incredibly bad that it doesn’t take a lot of time to refute. You claim no one with a parent who is not a US citizen can be a natural born citizen - in spite of the fact that 50 states disagree, the Electoral College disagrees, Congress disagrees, the courts disagree...all those people who have an actual responsibility, and yet they disagree with your ‘legal reasoning’.
Others claim Obama was born in Kenya...but no one offers evidence. They just claim it has all been covered up.
I traveled from the US to Taiwan in 1964. It was quite a trip back then. Yet I’m supposed to believe Internet rumors that Obama’s mom made a more difficult trip to Kenya, to avail herself of substandard medical treatment, then sneaked back with a baby and no one noticed?
Y’all need some evidence. You don’t have any. And when courts toss out your cases, you just blame the conspiracy and look for another court.
Weird.
Just out of curiosity, if Congress certified the election of somebody you personally knew for a fact was not Constitutionally eligible, would you consider that person a lawful holder of the office?
The MO of successful Rat at trolling. Say a few things that sound Conservative. Then when it is all hands on deck, it is to protect the Stink’n Demo party and Obama by coming to the rescue. The whole rat party is at stake. They lose this, they are in danger of losing it all. The whole party would be in danger of disappearing like the old Soviet Union under an avalanche of lies and deceit. Those are the stakes. A quick post...I’ll be back.
Its just too dangerous for Obama, What if Lakin’s legal team is able to call Hawaii DOH Registrar Onaka as a defense witness?
Obama will foul his underwear.
As previously stated in an earlier post...
I sat as a voting member of two court-martials as a Major.
You Sir,are ABSOLUTELY correct in your analysis.
He will be allowed discovery as part of his defense.
(I think THEY are hoping that Lakin drops his refusal to deploy,so they don’t have to proceed with a CM).
I though that you said the orders to you were illegal because there were established military procedures which were being violated. What makes you think that a court-martial panel has the burden to search all military procedures to make your case? You would have expected to have a defense counsel, wouldn't you? What would his job be if not to introduce evidence of your innocence?
My recollection is that there is very little that is "obvious" in a court of law, even a court-martial. Things like what day of the week a certain date fell on and other such easily agreed upon items, perhaps.
Your stance seems to be that nobody would ever court-martial a soldier for failing to obey an unlawful order and therefor such a soldier deserves no mechanisms for proving such a thing unless the proof is "obvious".
In the New case, the Military Court of Appeals seems to have decided that every order is "lawful" unless it is an order to commit an obvious crime. Are you absolutely certain that obeying the orders you were given constituted a crime?
How will the court-martial establish that Obama has a birth certificate? Will the prosecution introduce it? Will the court-martial panel accept a newly generated certificate as proof when photocopies of the original document may be available. Does the defense have to accept that?
Is having a birth certificate issued by Hawaii sufficient? Is the nationality of Obama's mother or father relevant? Is the age at birth of Obama's mother relevant? Is dual citizenship at birth relevant?
If you don't think Obama should have to be eligible or you don't think that Obama should have to prove eligibility, does that change the court-martial panels obligation to determine such a fact with the best information available?
Did Obama ever attend a university in the U.S. as a foreign student? Does Lakin's defense have the benefit of being able to search out someone who can testify to that fact and use a subpoena to compel testimony?
Did Obama travel to a foreign country at a time when U.S. visas to such country were not granted? Does Lakin's defense have the benefit of being able to search out someone who can testify to that fact and use a subpoena to compel testimony?
Either Obama is eligible or he is not. Either an order from Obama as Commander-in-Chief is lawful or it is not. Either Lakin deserves imprisonment or he doesn't.
It sounds like you would imprison him now. I would not.
Hmmm...
A cursory reading seem to indicate that this guy is royally screwed.
‘Tis a shame.
The Congressional part is a misnomer.
Just sayin’.
He is screwing himself. I don’t think he’s going to like the way this turns out. He’ll be punished somehow, and Obama will still be the President.
We have checks and balances in this country. If Congress fails to do its job in accordance with the Constitution, courts declare their actions unConstitutional.
That pesky Constitution doesnt leave it for the courts to decide the outcome of the presidential election.
The Constitution doesn't bar them from overturning fraud in a national election. They are given the responsibility of judicial power over all Controversies to which the United States is a party. IOW, if Congress messes up, the court has judicial power to make them fix it.
His orders were from his brigade commander, not directly from the President. The court martial will find the eligibility issue irrelevant.
Then the dumb butt Obots could cross the line with 'Unlawful Command Influence'.
Yeah.
It’s a shame.
If he’s going to do something like this, it would be nice if at least something positive would come from it.
I fear that will not be so.
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