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Newly Formed ‘Federation’ of Tea Party and Grassroots Groups Announced
Fox News ^ | April 8, 2010 | Cristina Corbin

Posted on 04/08/2010 10:05:17 AM PDT by Zakeet

Edited on 04/08/2010 10:20:23 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In an effort to build its credibility and influence nationwide, the tea party movement on Thursday announced the formation of a "federation" of tea party groups.

Mark Shroder, a member of the Memphis Tea Party, told a crowd of roughly 200 conservative activists gathered outside the state capitol that 21 factions of the movement will form the National Federation Tea Party. Shroder said the federation will act as a "rapid response" to "misinformation" allegedly put forth by the "mainstream media."


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161 posted on 04/08/2010 12:40:46 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: texmexis best
Good work.

I've got a few guys from work going.

Numbers mean everything when the media is a watchin.

162 posted on 04/08/2010 12:44:58 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: ReneeLynn

They really haven’t been independent since Freedom Works Buy Out...when Dick Armey comes calling run, he WAS the establishment.


163 posted on 04/08/2010 12:46:20 PM PDT by RadioCirca1970 (Victory or Death in the War on Terror)
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To: caww
I am curious since you are much in favor of this federation move...very enthused I might add...would lend me to wonder if you are working for or are intending to vote a third party candidate like Paul or some other?

Not even remotely interested in that -- especially when you offer the choice of a nutter like Mr. Paul.

Just wondering as your posts seem politically driven rather than opinion driven.

Nope -- no political motive other than wanting the Tea Party movement, or something like it, to become effective as a positive political force that accomplishes things, rather than an unorganized bunch of groups who march around opposing things.

164 posted on 04/08/2010 12:50:03 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Zakeet
IMHO:

A Tea Party is an EVENT that grassroots conservatives attend to protest government spending, taxation, & socialist or fascist programs. It is NOT an organization, a movement or a federation.

165 posted on 04/08/2010 12:53:18 PM PDT by fewz ("Liberty and justice for all"... Not so much anymore.)
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To: r9etb

Coordination is good. Last month a Coalitions In Action (CIA) Convention was held. It included several 912 Project groups and others by different names that have the same grassroots philosophy. Working together and coordinating actions (when possible) is a good thing. Nobody emerged as A Leader, but workshops were held that helped inform and support grassroots efforts. Such as an ICaucus speaker on vetting candidates. Good information to have. Sharing information is good.


166 posted on 04/08/2010 12:56:20 PM PDT by WHATNEXT?
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To: Zakeet
My gut says this is going to be a case of self-proclaimed leaders running their mouths saying how important they are.

This is yet another reason for my tagline. I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.

167 posted on 04/08/2010 12:58:42 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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To: Jim 0216
May the fire of this movement burn out the dross and purify our country like gold for a better future than our recent past.

Fire that is not put to a specific purpose, just burns out its fuel while generating heat and light, and otherwise does nothing useful.

Just "burning out the dross" does nothing but leave a political vacuum that will be filled by whoever is fastest to occupy the empty space.

The Tea Party movement has to figure out a way to get those empty spaces filled in the right way. It need not become a party to do that, any more than the conservative movement of the Reagan era had to become one. It's more a matter of defining the ideas, and offering compelling solutions to the very real problems the Tea Party movement is trying to point out.

As things stand now, the Tea Party seems to offer no coherent set of ideas for how to fill those gaps -- which leaves them open for people and policies that are even worse than what we have now.

This is the very same dynamic that has caused the conservative movement to be in such trouble -- we devolved into a group of folks who were "against," not only what the left wanted, but also what various constituent members of the broader movement wanted. Nothing "for." And the Democrats have handed us our asses.

168 posted on 04/08/2010 1:03:08 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Zakeet
"In an effort to build destroy its credibility and influence nationwide, the tea party movement on Thursday announced the formation of a "federation" of tea party groups."

Fixed it.

169 posted on 04/08/2010 1:03:42 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: ReneeLynn
Here is a post from the time just before the gubernatorial victories in Virginia and New Jersey which considers the nature of third-party movements:

Returning from church, "silent" Calvin Coolidge was asked by the press, "what was the sermon about?" "Sin," he answered, offering no more. "What did the preacher say about sin?" pursued the press. "He was against it."

The burlesque in the 23rd Congressional District in New York State demonstrates beyond peradventure that the elites running the Republican Party are hostile to the interests of the conservative movement. It is also clear that unless the Republican Party can accommodate the Tea Party movement it will fail in the upcoming elections.

Reform now!

Judging from the intermeddling of the Washington elite on behalf of Charlie Crist in Florida together with their indefensible endorsement and financing of Rino, Dede Scozzafava in 23rd District of New York, it is probable that the establishment elites in the National Republican Party are covertly hostile or passively aggressive toward the Tea Party Movement. Possibly, these elites fear the Tea Party movement constitutes a threat to their personal power. Possibly, they fear the movement because it is unaccountable and likely to become a loose cannon. Indeed, is not inconceivable that the apparatchiks of the Republican Party would have secretly preferred a loss to Democrats than a win by the Tea Party Movement.

But let us not assay virtue exclusively on one side and only evil on the other.

At this point the Tea Party movement is a protest movement and not a reform movement. It is clear about what it is against. It is against taxing and spending, taxing and borrowing, borrowing and spending. It is also clear that it wants to throw out representatives of either party who trespass on these three taboos. But what does the movement stand for ?

The Tea Party Movement has no plank on whether to cut Social Security as a means to balance the budget because it has no platform and the movement has no platform because it is not a party. Would The Movement raise taxes to maintain Social Security at current levels and standards? Would it tax to maintain our national defense capabilities at their current levels? Would it tax to pay down the debt? We do not know and, revealingly, we do not even know whom to ask.

Clearly, The Movement as a general principle would prefer to reduce spending rather than raise taxes. Would the movement choose to reduce spending on Social Security rather than raise taxes? Would it cut Medicare to reduce taxes? To balance the budget?

These are questions that the Tea Party movement has not addressed and professional politicians, like those despised Republican elites in Washington for example, know that the trajectory for entitlements like Social Security and Medicare are such that if they are not reduced they will ultimately consume the entire federal budget and then bankrupt the country. Even Barack Obama himself has acknowledged this and, in an Orwellian triumph of illogic, has exploited this reality to justify spending more on health care reform to keep the already bankrupt health-care system from bankrupting the whole country. But it doesn't matter who says it, there simply is not enough room in discretionary spending, even if it we eliminated all military spending, to get the budget under control. Whenever you hear a politician say that he will solve a fiscal problem by curbing waste fraud and abuse, use one hand to cover your wallet and the other to cover your genitals because you will need to protect both.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves,

Why does the professional politician tell us that he will resolve these massive shortfalls by eliminating waste fraud and abuse? Because that's how he got to be a professional politician in the first place and that's how he remains a professional politician. The unattractive truth about us as voters is that we seek out those politicians who will pander to our eagerness to dodge reality. One needs look no further than the neck and neck race in New Jersey where Corzine is able to remain a viable candidate for just that reason. The very strength of the Tea Party movement is that there is no one in charge who must answer to this conundrum: Do we tax the people more or cut grandma's Social Security and deny her end-of-life Medicare treatment? The closer the Tea Party Movement gets to political power the less easy it will be for it to dodge these kinds of questions and the more political power will elude it. The more it answers these questions, the more it will fracture. That is simply the lifecycle for all political movements.

So long as the Tea Party movement remains in the "protest" stage, it is playing offense not defense, and it need not answer these questions. One might note that the Obama presidential campaign succeeded in riding protest right into the Oval Office without ever once being forced into the "reform" mode. It succeeded in this by exploiting media bias and presuming on the generous nature of the American people who wanted to settle the problem of race in America once and for all. Director of White House Communications, Anita Dunn, has recently revealed in a taped interview how the Obama campaign contrived through artifice to avoid confronting these hard questions. But in a larger sense, while we conservatives complained that Obama was an "empty suit," Obama confounded us with the race card. This was a classic case of a politician succeeding by misdirection. He did not say, "vote for me or you are a racist" far from it, as an accomplished prestidigitator he was more subtle, "vote for me" he intimated, "and receive an indulgence for your original American sin of racism." He chanted "reform" ("change") but it was only through inadvertence, as occurred by chance with Joe The Plumber, or when he thought the microphones were off when describing the "bitter clingers" of Pennsylvania to San Francisco fat cats, that Obama ever revealed the real radical nature of that "change."

Indulgences free for the taking, just pull the lever marked "Obama"

Axelrod contrived a political campaign of genius. Barack Obama ran as a white, black man so that he could govern as a pink Manchurian Marxist. If Obama had run as what he was, a radical redistributionist, he would surely have been repudiated at the polls. But his race gave Axelrod the running room to avoid telling the voters the truth and the media provided the downfield blocking. Now the tea party protesters are furious. They are indignant. They sense they have been duped. They have been seduced and betrayed and they are mad as hell. Curiously, they take a good portion of their wrath out against the Republicans whose sins in comparison to Obama's can only be described as venal.

To Govern is to Chose.

Now that the real nature of that reform has become evident, the Tea Party Movement is aroused in full cry, and rightly so. That is not to demean the Tea Party Movement but simply to acknowledge that this protest movement is consistent with the best in the American tradition. It is naïve (as well as heretical) to believe that Obama is the Messiah. Equally it is naïve to believe that any protest movement does not carry with it the seeds of its own corruption which must eventually be reformed in its turn.

Let us return to what we know the Tea Party Movement is against: taxing, spending, and borrowing. We have noted that the movement has not been compelled to say what it is for apart from a return to constitutional principles of our founding fathers. But what are they for when they have to choose between raising taxes or cutting grandma's Social Security check? Between borrowing and cutting grandma's Medicare and denying her a desperately needed hip replacement?

These are difficult decisions and a party might be able to finesse these questions without answering, as Barack Obama succeeded in doing by exploiting his race, but by the next election cycle both the press and the voters will demand answers to these questions.

We conservatives have been betrayed literally left and right. Elected Republicans to our dismay and to the injury of the party and the country have finessed the hard questions by telling us lies; they said, let there be new entitlements, let us borrow, and for God's sake, keep the party going and the Devil take the hindmost. If the Tea Party Movement dodges these questions as the Republicans have done, or lies blatantly about them as the Democrats have done, it will betray its soul and it will be either discarded or reformed in its turn. But if conservatives have been lied to, Independents who largely populate the tea party movement have virtually begged the politicians to lie to them about grandma.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; … A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; ~Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

If the Tea Party Movement keeps its integrity and answers these questions it will have to make very hard choices. More immediately, it will have to have the architecture in place by which those choices can be made. That means it will need an organization which in turn implies the need for a Constitution to provide for orderly procedures for voting etc. It implies that the movement will have "leaders." These leaders will have to be empowered to speak for the Party . They will in the fullness of time unavoidably become elitists who will seek to retain their positions and enjoy the perquisites of office. They will begin to play the political game. To protect their sinecures they will find ways to dodge hard answers to hard questions. In this they will ultimately become indistinguishable from the elites who inhabit the Republican Party today. Eventually the cry will go out, "Reform The Tea Party Now!"

There will be those who will declare in disgust, "no do not try to reform the Tea Party, it is hopeless, the party is too corrupt and cannot be reformed. It must be replaced with a new party." The ruling Brahmins of the Tea Party will at first ignore the reformers and then denigrate them. Ultimately the reformers will either be absorbed into the establishment Tea Party, as most reform movements of substance historically have been, or the reformers will evaporate away into the American scene, as movements on the fringe have done, or, most unlikely, the reformers will become the dominant party of the right, an unlikely achievement which only the Republicans themselves have managed to do.

This is not to denigrate the Tea Party movement or the reform spirit which animates it. A harbor cannot be cleansed but by the changing tide. It is the reform spirit that contributes to making America what it is. Without it we would all be living in Chicago.

Rather this is to provide perspective, hopefully an adult perspective, which empowers conservatives to shoulder their generational responsibilities like grownups. We conservatives are charged with a generational duty to both past and future generations to pass on the unspeakably precious legacy bequeathed to them by the generation of the Great Depression and World War II; who got it from the immigrants, the Doughboys and the pioneers; who in their turn received it from a great generation that fought the Civil War; who owed it all to the Founding Fathers and the Winter Soldiers.

To be worthy of the name, Conservatives know that we must conserve that which was bequeathed to us in blood and toil, leavened with no small measure of God’s grace, and render the next generation at least as good as we got. We are conservators of a sacred trust. Therefore, what Obama is doing to this legacy is not just ill advised, it is profane .

I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it. It was you, Charley.

Liberal media observers profess to find "Teabaggers" angry and they find that anger to be off-putting. Let them stand in our moccasins and judge us. A mountebank has presumed on the good nature of the American people to secure office by false pretenses where he has revealed himself to be a Manchurian Marxist. This, in the wake of a "compassionate conservative" who was long on compassion and spotty on conservatism. Small wonder tea party people are angry at both sides. We are angry because we know that we will not be able to pass on to our children that which was given to us by grace because we were in effect betrayed and made "bums" by those in whom we have placed trust. Every second the national debt clock ticks and every second our current chance to do something for our kids diminishes. Nevertheless, in the discharge of our responsibilities we must not forget, "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves,

As The Book says, as there is "a time to break down" there is also "a time to build up" and as there is a time to "cast away" there is also a time to "keep."

I say to those who would cavalierly abandon the Republican Party, you will have an obligation to put in its place as good as you took.


170 posted on 04/08/2010 1:03:43 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: WHATNEXT?
Good information to have. Sharing information is good.

So is having money and resources to put out information at the national level, which is where the Tea Party movement needs to start operating.

Gotta have an organization for that.

171 posted on 04/08/2010 1:06:06 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Zakeet

They do need to have some sort of brand control. I enjoyed attending the Tea Party in Medford, except for the fact that the speakers kept promoting buttons, flags and books.

Unfortunately in my hometown, the tea parties have become associated with the Guardians of the Free Republics and Trwin Schiff income tax protestors. Not an association I want to be linked with my name.


172 posted on 04/08/2010 1:10:00 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: onyx

Do you believe a third party is what this move is all about? If so..I’m out!


173 posted on 04/08/2010 1:12:13 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: r9etb
I see purpose, but decentralized purpose. As someone pointed out, not unlike Adam Smith's invisible hand which is how the free market works and how our country was born. America didn’t spring up because of top-heavy authority, but because of bottoms-up ardent belief in the values of liberty and indivdual happiness. The things that man doesn't give you and can't take away. It's a wonderful start in a very hopeful direction.
174 posted on 04/08/2010 1:12:15 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: r9etb
>>What's wrong with following the Founders' example?

The Founder's temples were built within the hearts of individuals; not in collective sheeple herding mills headed by insurance-peddling wolves.

>>It's a set of ideas





Is your Moral Compass calibrated better than the one you used to say the Arkansas flows West...?
175 posted on 04/08/2010 1:12:59 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: r9etb

Ok.....I understand your wanting more organization to the tea party org. but I am not convinced they should go further than this federation issue they are now stating, if even that....once truly organized it would be an easy thing for some group or persons to call it their own, especially as the election draws nearer.

I do think though that the tea party movement has accomplishments thus far....the GOP is certainly taking notice as well as candidates who are running. They all would hope to have the tea party in their court. This does make them a “politcal” force of influence.

So what do you think they could accomplish as a “political” force that they are not already doing?


176 posted on 04/08/2010 1:16:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: Jim 0216
America didn’t spring up because of top-heavy authority, but because of bottoms-up ardent belief in the values of liberty and indivdual happiness. The things that man doesn't give you and can't take away. It's a wonderful start in a very hopeful direction.

Which completely leaves out the indispensible leadership of the Founders.

Their leadership was in large part responsible for the difference between our revolution and that of the French, which ended up being ruled by those of the (unfocused) mobs who were most aggressive.

177 posted on 04/08/2010 1:18:46 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: LomanBill
Is your Moral Compass calibrated better than the one you used to say the Arkansas flows West...?

There are two differences between us, Billy.

1) I recognized and admitted my mistake 5 minutes after I made it. It's a lesson you apparently cannot learn.

2) You're an idiot.

178 posted on 04/08/2010 1:20:10 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: penelopesire

That’s how this Skoda guy struck me from the first article I read about him and now with this announcement...


179 posted on 04/08/2010 1:21:48 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: Jim 0216
>>As someone pointed out, not unlike Adam Smith's invisible hand
 
The founder's "invisible hand" is located exactly 1 mile North of the White House, 2 miles North of the Jefferson Monument.
 
Truth, Logic, Reason - and a Mind Created Free by Almighty God.
 
>>which is how the free market works
 
The free market that manifested the trillions of dollars worth of sub-prime derivative A$$PAPER presently poisoning the global economic pond.  That Free Market?
 
Ba'alshyte. But hey, worship what you will...

180 posted on 04/08/2010 1:24:54 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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