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Similarly, Julie Makimaa, who works diligently against the perception that abortion is acceptable or even necessary in cases of sexual assault, proclaims, “It doesn't matter how I began. What matters is who I will become.”

Amen!

1 posted on 04/05/2010 3:13:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 04/05/2010 3:13:52 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 04/05/2010 3:14:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Amen!

You bet! How can infanticide ever be an acceptable answer to our own failings?

4 posted on 04/05/2010 3:15:58 PM PDT by bcsco (Obama: Hokus Pokus POTUS)
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Capital punishment for the rapist, not the baby. Adoption is always an option if the mother doesn’t want the baby.


5 posted on 04/05/2010 3:16:09 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month?

Seems like we should be aware of it every month. Geez.


6 posted on 04/05/2010 3:21:05 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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Sadly, the moral question is a mute one, since at this time, our tax dollars can and will be used to fund aborting 3rd trimester babies for the purpose of birth control.


7 posted on 04/05/2010 3:21:42 PM PDT by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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Sorry, but you will encourage sexual assault without a rape exception... encourage people to choose life, but don’t dare make it the law to carry a rapists child...


9 posted on 04/05/2010 3:24:10 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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A big reason not to vote dor RINO Romney the abortion pusher...

His religion allows for abortion when its rape of incest...


11 posted on 04/05/2010 3:26:54 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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“Sadly, however, the testimonies of women who have actually been pregnant through sexual assault are routinely left out of this public debate.”

This is the main problem I have with the pro abortion folks. They lie, distort and leave out vital information. If they are so confident that women want their deadly service then give all the facts, good or bad.

Don't they know that this is such a life altering decision that will forever be with these women the rest of their lives? The cold reality of the truth is the very least that they deserve. These women are treated like pawns instead of intelligent women who are under a great deal of stress. They are used and their emotional state is taken advantage of.

14 posted on 04/05/2010 3:43:22 PM PDT by c21sac ( Aspire to Inspire before you Expire)
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Reagan’s position was to allow women who did not enter into the act of sex willingly to be allowed to terminate any pregnancy that resulted.

It still kills a life.

But I’d accept that, if it prevented the other 98 or 99% of the abortions.


16 posted on 04/05/2010 3:52:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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It embarasses me to admit this, but I am one Catholic who would be willing to stipulate for “choice” in cases of rape and incest, if that meant we could save the other millions that were “inconvenient.” I expect that this will be what happens in a lot of states when the issue eventually goes back to them.

The not-so-unforseen consequence of this, of course, will be a rise in false accusations of rape.

If my own daughter was raped, I would hope that I had taught her well enough to make the correct the decision, I would do what I could to support her. Having known a few rape victims in my life, I can say for sure that there are more than a few women who would take their own (and their child’s) lives rather than give birth to their attacker’s baby.


18 posted on 04/05/2010 3:54:23 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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I am really struggling with something about abortion...

I think abortion is wrong. Rape, incest... it is wrong to kill an innocent baby.

But what about the cases of horrifically damaged fetuses? I don’t mean like Trig Palin, I mean fetuses that have no brain or no spine or a rare disease something horrific like that which would mean a painful life and early death. If medical science can show these things... well, I am really caught there. That would mean a woman carrying and delivering a baby to term just to suffer and/or die? How do we deal with that?

It is just something that I struggle with and would appreciate opinions on.


29 posted on 04/05/2010 4:22:53 PM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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In the movie "Rob Roy" (Liam Neeson & Jessica Lange), Roy's wife is raped by an English lord. She becomes pregnant and isn't sure whether it is her husband's or the rapist's. When she tearfully tells her husband, "I tried to get rid of it, but I couldn't", Roy responds, It's not the child that needs killin'."

Hollywood said it best!!!

64 posted on 04/05/2010 7:36:20 PM PDT by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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MY neighbors adopted son was the offspring of an assault.

Great kid. Glad he didn’t die for the sins of his father.


75 posted on 04/05/2010 8:06:57 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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ABORTION AND THE “HARD CASES”: rape, incest, and life of the mother.

What about abortion in cases of rape or incest?

Abortion Q & A — BY JOHN CARDINAL O'CONNOR, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK

July of 1990

http://priestsforlife.org/magisterium/cardocqanda.html#qa13

Some evils are what we call intrinsic evils, that is evil in themselves, so that no circumstances can justify them. Direct abortion is such an evil. It simply can not be morally justified. This principle holds even in regard to rape or incest. An unborn baby is an innocent human being who has committed no crime, regardless of how conception came about. It is never morally right to destroy an innocent human being.

What About Rape?

http://www.prolife.org.uk/about/keyabortion.htm

Abortion is often recommended in cases of rape. But abortion does not undo the rape; instead it compounds violence with violence. It is an indefensible response to a complex situation. Putting aside the injustice of an innocent child being killed for her father's crime, there is evidence that abortion only deepens the trauma of the rape victim as well as taking the innocent life of her child. A rape victim requires special emotional care regardless of whether or not she obtains an abortion. By recommending abortion as a quick and easy way to “lessen the impact”, a disservice is done to raped women.

By promoting abortion specifically in the case of rape one implicitly argues that the means of conception determines the value of a human life. This line of reasoning fails to acknowledge that, biologically speaking, there is no difference between a human being conceived by a loving couple and a human being conceived by rape. Are we to deem born children conceived by rape as having no right to life?

It is also worth noting that statistically speaking, violent rape is extraordinarily unlikely to result in pregnancy; moreover, women tend to love their babies even if they hate the father.


Priests for Life Q&A on Abortion
http://priestsforlife.org/questions.html

A key study on this topic is the book Victims and Victors: Speaking out about their Pregnancies, Abortions, and Children Resulting from Sexual Assault, By David C. Reardon. In this book, read the testimonies of 192 women who reveal that most pregnant sexual assault victims don't want abortion, and those who do abort only suffer more. This is the most comprehensive study published on this theme. http://www.afterabortion.org

Dr. Theresa Burke also addresses this topic in her book Forbidden Grief, www.forbiddengrief.com. One example from that book is this testimony: “The rape was bad, but I could have gotten over it. The abortion is something I will never get over. No one realizes how much that event damaged my life. I hate my rapist, but I hate the abortionist too. I can’t believe I paid to be raped again. This will affect the rest of my life.”

Please also see the following testimony from Jenni Speltz, who was conceived in rape: http://www.priestsforlife.org/testimony/jennispeltz.htm.

In many cases the best choice is adoption. It is important to note that there are hundreds of thousands of couples that want to adopt but have been unable to because so many children are never allowed to be born.

What about the life of the mother? (by Fr. Frank Pavone) http://priestsforlife.org/questions.html

Answer: There are two questions at issue here. One is medical (Is there ever need for an abortion to save the mother's life?) and the other is moral (Would an abortion in that case be justified?) The answer to both questions is no. There is no medical situation whose only solution is a direct abortion, as many doctors have testified. Morally speaking, furthermore, it is never right to directly kill an innocent person, even if good results are foreseen. We do not say that a baby's life is more important than the mother's. We do say that they are equal. You may never directly kill either one of them. If, in spite of the best medical efforts, one or both of them die, nothing morally wrong has been done, because an effort has been made to save life, but has failed. That is far different from killing.

See also these articles by Fr. Frank Pavone:

”Persuading People that Rape Does Not Justify Abortion” http://priestsforlife.org/columns/column8-17rape.html

What moral/ethical/good things are ever done in back alleys anyway?! “Safe, then Legal” http://priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2003/03-10-06safethenlegal.htm

Three expert physicians’ testimonies stating that there is no “medical reason” for having an abortion. http://priestsforlife.org/articles/dropinion.html

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89 posted on 04/05/2010 8:55:59 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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As dispassionately as I can view the issue, here goes: In an instance of rape, the rapist is guilty of a terrible crime.

At most, and not often, the mother-to-be was unable to say no, and in some cases may have entered into a situation where whe lost control.

The most innocent of the parties is developing inside the mother-to-be, who was not there at the start of the crime.

That is who an abortion punishes, the one who had no say, no hand in the rape. They get the death sentence for the actions of others.

I have a fundamental problem with that.

Incest: the same problem exists, whether the incest is truly between related family members, or an unrelated family member by marriage (The stepfather in the example the writer uses is not a blood relation).

Still, the one who is executed for the crime of at least one other is the one who is innocent of any wrongdoing, and again, the sentence is death.

No matter how hard I have tried to look at this from every angle, I am left with the same problem in both instances.

It is the unarguably innocent who suffer death for the actions of others.

In no other instance in our culture is this allowed or condoned. Nor should it be in this one.

95 posted on 04/05/2010 9:40:27 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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Let me say this: While it is terrible for any woman to have to bear a child of some scum bag rapist, it is not the fault of the child and the child should not be killed. Put it up for adoption as soon as it is born, fine, but to kill it makes the mother, and her family, as bad as the criminal who attacked her.


254 posted on 04/06/2010 11:26:17 AM PDT by calex59
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Excellent post.


301 posted on 04/06/2010 1:25:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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If we allow abortion for rape, we should allow it for everyone.

I’m not against abortion to punish a woman for having sex; I’m against abortion because it is murder.

I cannot condone abortion in the circumstance of rape and then be against it for everyone else. I’m not trying to punish the woman, I am trying to protect the baby. There is no difference either way, unless you are really trying to punish a woman for having sex.


365 posted on 04/07/2010 1:23:56 PM PDT by TNLawyer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,")
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Great find. Thanks for posting.


392 posted on 04/07/2010 7:13:07 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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