Posted on 03/25/2010 12:45:04 PM PDT by conservativesister
I've searched FR, googled, and wicki-ed, the only thing I can find about removing a president is :
The House of Representatives has the power to bring articles of impeachment against a president. If articles are brought, then the president is considered impeached (but not guilty). A simple majority of the vote is sufficient to bring articles of impeachment.
Article 2, section 4 of the Constitution indicates reasons removal from office. "The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Obviously, The House isn't going to listen to the people, my question is what rights do the people have for recall (like Gov. Davis) or removal of the President?
There are no Senate work days between the election and Jan 1, at least.
I’m really not interested in political power. I’m interested in the rule of law. Without the rule of law, political power is sheer raw, physical, mafia oppression.
That’s what we’re seeing today, and we’re never going to get things back to the America I know and love until we address the corruption and politicization of law enforcement. This is not a battle for political control; it is a battle for the rule of law, the foundational pillar of civilization itself.
The crimes Obama and his ilk have committed are not everyone’s big deal. You may be right that there will never be a court that does a thing. There may not be even one law enforcement agent in this nation that still sees justice as blind to everything but the facts. But if that is the case, then we are far beyond the point where it even matters who has control of Congress. We’ve already lost the war if that is the case.
I don’t ask that anybody jump on the bandwagon regarding the crimes Obama has committed if they are not so inclined. But I do ask that even if you think the issue is going nowhere, you realize that it is law enforcement that we are talking about - and anyone who would ridicule the need for the rule of law cannot be fighting for the good of civilization.
This is not some fringe issue. This is right now where America is at. Will Congress follow their own rules and the Constitution? Nobody knows, but the people who think it matters whether they do or don’t better not call me crazy because I say that forgery, perjury, extortion, social security fraud, charity fraud, and election fraud matter and must be investigated.
I can understand why you think it’s a go-nowhere issue. But if it really is a go-nowhere issue, then this nation is dead. I’m not ready to give up on her yet, and I hope you aren’t either. Together let’s fight the electoral battle AND the law enforcement battle. They are both absolutely vital.
OK. Maybe not so humble. Team Obama has a key element of the voting population .... that would be us ... chasing our tails. I am very sure they are amused and gratified that the millions they have spent to cloud the eligibility issues are well spent indeed. So? Capable lawyers (and Dr. Taitz) are pursuing the Writ of Quo Warranto, which is all that can be done. Let's, if not exactly "Dropping It," at least move it off our collective brain's front burner. We absolutely need to devote our mental band width to a bigger problem.
We have a very good shot at taking over the HOUSE next Fall, and maybe, maybe, maybe vastly improving our numbers in the SENATE, perhaps even ... dare I say it?.
Tremendous! But where is the Republican Program? What's the PLAN? Who's The Leader? Where are the TV ads ...The Radio Spots, The Newspaper ads, The Twitter ...The Facebook ... Where TF is the RNC? ...Who we got for 2012? Hello? Anyone home?
If the Republicans do not have an effective, POSITIVE Program for 2010-12, we are going to be in worse shape than right now. If we have a legislative majority for two years and nothing gets done, save obstructing the usurper, we will simply be handing the Democrats back the reins in 2012 and be left with the blame for the Depression. Again.
The court of law that needs to hear this is a criminal court. But we can’t find anybody in law enforcement who will even investigate. Apparently enforcing the law is too “fringe” and “extreme” for the people we pay to do that job.
When you talk about the communists usurping the power away from the people, this is the ultimate example.
Rather than buying into the “fringe”, “too extreme” crap, we need to expose this as the utter failure of law enforcement that it is. And if anybody thinks that’s a fringe issue, I invite them to watch “The Dark Knight”. It’s almost become prophetic at this point in history.
ANYBODY who is willing to believe what a Democrat controlled state SAYS without having them provide the SIMPLE and FRANK TRUTH which would put this issue to bed, really has a problem. All they have to do is PRODUCE THE DAMN DOCUMENT and put it on the Internet. SIMPLE??
Yes - unless the document doesn;t exist or is an obvious fraud.
All the evil things this guy has ssaid about this country ALSO makes it veery hard for me to believe he is a natural born citizen.
Like we say in the East here - I have a great bridge I’d like to sell you.
There has never been such a questionable issue like this one regarding the background of a candidate or President.
The media did NOT vet this guy at all. His past remains a murky cloud. Who the hell is he??? He claims his mother was flower child who traveled the world - Kenya, Indonesia, whatever, We have a few pictures of him in Indonesia. He claims his father was a Kenyan Muslim who most conveniently died some time ago. Allegedly he was an alcoholic, and was killed in a car accident. We KNOW he has relatives in and from Kenya.
What about his education? Who paid for it???? What were his grades??? (We know what Bush II and Kerry's grades were).
WHO IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA????
“What any candidate has done in the past, is the same thing that Obama did this last election, which was to swear that he qualified per the Constitution and sign that statement with a notary present. That's all other candidates have been required to do, too. “
See the above.
“The rest of the American public, when they see the official statement from the State of Hawaii, saying that Obama was born in Hawaii... that's all the public will need to know and since they live in this universe... that will be it for the general public...”
Once again, you demonstrate that it is not I who is out of touch with reality. After ALL the secret maneuvers, dealings, campaign irregularities and other clandestine crap surrounding this individual, after all the nebulosity regarding his alleged parentage, you are willing to accept the simple word of a government minion from a Democrat controlled state as to the veracity of his birth, when all this guy need do is to produce the damn document and silence everybody at once.
Amazing.
Thank you.
That is a reasonable explanation.
Where do I see I your blog?
You cannot prove one shred of what you have posted. It is all innuendo.
You need to stop throwing things against the wall to see what’s going to stick. We did this with the Clintons and it didn’t work then either. We still ended up with Hillary as a US Senator, a presidential contender, and Secy of State.
Accept the idea that Barry the Bolshevik is here to stay until 2012. Anything that he does, just is. It’s the new world, and we have to unelect him in 2012.
You’re not going to get criminal charges or anything else until there is someone who is willing to leak records that are incriminating of actual “A” felonies, not “E” felonies.
Perjury is an “E” felony and it couldn’t get Clinton removed.
We need all of it. Every person has to ask him/herself what they can do, and then do their best to do what they can and stay out of the way of other people doing what they can.
I’m researching because it’s what I can do. I am hoping that the research I’ve done can be used not only in the civil cases (including Quo Warranto) but also can be used to initiate a criminal investigation. At the very least it can be used to help people realize that we are dealing with an absolutely corrupt system of media, government, and law enforcement - which, if made widely known, can be used to help keep those entities accountable. Some widespread public knowledge could go a long way toward keeping the DC Circuit Court earnest in regards to the Quo Warranto.
For Frodo.
I’m also contacting my elected officials regarding issues. When there is a big push needed I back off the more long-term issue of law enforcement and address the more pressing issue.
If other people, while speaking with regular people, Twittering, etc, can get the word out that Obama has committed crimes that are documented but that law enforcement won’t pursue... that will only help people realize the urgency of the situation.
The truth of our situation is that as long as people take their cues from the media and leftists regarding how “fringe” the issues of law enforcement and the rule of law are... we won’t even have a thinking public to try to address. If we so dumb-down the dialog that we let the crooks dictate what is taboo to speak about, we can do nothing but lose. People are sick of democrats and republicans. They all seem like a bunch of crooks - with nobody having both the balls and the power to do anything about any of the corruption. As long as republicans consider corruption and crime among politicians and media to be a “fringe” issue we will lose - not only because the people see it all as political posturing, but because the crooks will have a thousand weapons they can use against us.
Take these claims of “Tea Party” violence. It’s libel. If Obama and his corrupt machine believe they can lie with impunity the millions of useful idiots who believe whatever is on CNN will screw this nation again, regardless of what you or I do to organize. Garbage in, garbage out.
We can (and must) compete, as you say. But there’s no way we can win if the referees, score-keeper, and field maintenance crew can do whatever they want along the way. Law enforcement matters. Some people need to be players on the field. Others need to keep the game honest. Others need to be coaches and water-boys. We need it all.
You’ve given a good suggestion. Let’s spend time on what will be the most effective. What I’ve noticed here on the board is that the people who are spending time talking about this are largely spending it talking to people who believe the issue is a waste of time. If everybody who thought it was a waste of time refused to engage on the issue, then there would be no reason for the others to waste their time on it.
If it was a given that crimes need to be investigated and tried regardless of the political fallout and regardless of how the leftist media tries to politicize it, this thing would have been over a long time ago. If conservatives simply stood together on the need for law enforcement and the rule of law, Obama would have wasted his time trying to divide us. When Mom and Dad stand together the kids don’t try to pit one against the other. If the rule of law was non-negotiable in the political campaign games that go on, this issue could not be the wedge that it is and could not steal time from other issues.
Your suggestion is a good one. Let’s stop arguing about whether field maintenance matters and let field maintenance do their jobs and the coaches and players do their jobs. Everybody should think hard about what their role is. Players, don’t poop on the field to spite field maintenance. Maintenance crew, get out of the way of the players. You’re absolutely right, Kenny Bunk: we don’t have time to chase our tails.
The starting page is at http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com . At the end of that post there is a link to the post which serves as sort of an overview or index of the rest of the documentation I have.
Even if we won every election, law enforcement would still matter.
It is not innuendo. It is documented fact that the Hawaii DOH has said that Obama’s birth certificate is amended. It is documented fact that the DOH rules require amendments to be noted on any certificate they print. It is documented fact that the COLB is technically called an “abbreviated birth certificate”. It is documented fact that the Factcheck and Fight the Smears COLB’s do not note an amendment.
It is documented fact that the DOH said the certificate numbers were given by the state registrar on the “Date filed”. It is documented fact that the Factcheck COLB has a “Date filed” 3 days before the Nordyke BC’s but a cert number later than theirs.
It is documented fact that Hawaii statute and DOH rules both say that amended birth certificates are not considered prima facie evidence.
My whole blog is full of the documentation for the claims I’ve made. There is some deductive reasoning and logic applied as well, but those are also used by judges and juries so I don’t understand what problem that should be.
No, you would get a court to order this person to show one because the one he did show was fraudulent and violates federal statutes on birth certificate fraud. Second, I'm pretty sure it's fraud to sign an affadavit in which a person knowingly makes false claims.
I personally never did pay any attention to that document. It wasn't relevant to me. But, I know a lot of other people did pay a lot of attention to it. It simply didn't make any difference to me, because I already knew by then that a candidate was not legally required to produce a birth certificate.
Then he would have been better served not to present one at all.
The other place I would be willing to accept a statement from, is an official pronouncement from the State of Hawaii about Obama being born there, which they did.
It's a toothless statement. The state didn't verify Obama was born in Hawaii, they verified that they saw documents that supposedly verified that he was born in Hawaii, plus it included a false statement that Obama was a "natural born American citizen." There's no legal document that does this and there's no such legal entity as "natural born American citizen." It's good double speak and easily fooled people, didn't it.
Well, it's clear to me, that whatever requirements that the State Department has, for getting a passport, then Obama had to meet the requirements.
And you understand that those requirements wouldn't specifically qualify someone to be president, right??
Obama did the same thing that the other candidates did. Nothing more than that is relevant.
Except for lying about being eligible.
The problem is, that until someone leaks the actual documents you have exactly zilch. And even leaked copies are not the same as certified copies.
I’m not saying that Barry is who he says he is. And that for right now, there is no way to prove that he’s not.
Amended BC’s, date/number sequences, etc = zilch.
Find his birth certificate? ;-)
What I have posted are the actual documents from the Hawaii DOH.
Unless you’re talking about the actual birth certificate and associated evidence files for Obama. But if that’s what you mean, then it seems like you’re saying that circumstantial evidence can’t even prompt an INVESTIGATION. If that’s what you’re saying, I call BS.
An AG or just about anybody in law enforcement could initiate an investigation on the basis of the evidence I’ve got. That would yield the actual birth records for Obama.
The trouble is that nobody will. Everybody in Hawaii says they have no responsibility to investigate forgery. I tried submitting the report to the director of the Office of Public Safety in Hawaii via my personal e-mail so I would have a record of having filed the report. It kicked my e-mail back. The only way for me to report it was via a web form. I reported it and haven’t heard anything back. The same situation exists with elected officials; they do things via a web form so there is no record that the communication took place.
My understanding is that the DC Circuit Court is the only group that can boot out an ineligible president. Ain’t gonna happen unless the public is so aware of the facts of the case that the judge can’t give in to political pressure.
That’s why it’s important that we get the word out about this. Public scrutiny is vital - as we’ve seen with both the AGW fraud and with ACORN. Word of mouth is absolutely vital.
If Obama is booted the Constitution says that the VP is to act as president until Congress can come up with an eligible president. If Obama is booted that should automatically get rid of Pelosi, who signed a Certificate of Nomination for only Hawaii swearing that Obama was constitutionally eligible. If at that point we have public awareness and some semblance of intact law enforcement (huge “if”, I know) Congress would just about have to call for a new election.
Thank you.
You would need someone to leak the actual long form that stated something incriminating to get an investigation. Your circumstantial evidence isn’t enough to force it. It can (and has been repeated ad nauseam) be said that this is the rantings of a deranged lunatic “birther”.
I agree that something is amiss here. And whatever it is, it is likely rather embarrassing to Barry, which is why neither you nor I will get anywhere near it.
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