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LIVE HEALTH CARE THREAD ~ SATURDAY & SUNDAY
20 March 2010

Posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:53 AM PDT by SE Mom

Edited on 03/21/2010 5:00:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

10 AM Rules Committee meeting (C-span2 LIVE all day)

11 AM Stupak press conference

12 PM Demonstration at the Capitol

3 PM Obama meets with the Democratic caucus

Sunday
2 p.m.: The House will debate for one hour the rules of debate for the reconciliation bill and the Senate bill.

3 p.m.: The House will vote to end debate and vote on the rules of the debate.

3:15 p.m.: The House will debate the reconciliation package for two hours.

5:15 p.m.: The House will vote on the reconciliation package.

5:30 p.m.: The House will debate for 15 minutes on a Republican substitute and then vote on the substitute.

6 p.m.: The House will vote on the final reconciliation package.

6:15 p.m.: If the reconciliation bill passes, the House will immediately vote on the Senate bill, without debate.


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To: y'all

Anyone who is still up lurking, you must read this.

Obama busted for cooking the books to get his bill passed.

http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=2710


1,521 posted on 03/21/2010 1:03:25 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: Brytani

“On March 19, 2010 Wellpoint closed at $65.07, the Democrats announced they are a few votes away from passing Obama Care, somewhere a D.C. journalist with a soul sits and contemplates his/her conscience.”

Yeah, where are the journalists?


1,522 posted on 03/21/2010 1:08:52 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Nowhere to be found.


1,523 posted on 03/21/2010 1:17:31 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: Brytani
Make all that is hidden in the deepest places of this deceit plain, O God. Surround the Halls of Congress with Your Guardian angels, and send a mighty, whispering wind of warning plain for all to see in those halls.

Glory be to God, the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Ghost. As it was in the Beginning Is Now and Ever Shall Be. World without End, Amen. Amen.

Confuse the adversary, O, Lord. Defend the innocent. Send words of truth that surprise all who hear them. May You make liars tell the truth unawares and show true intents for all to see. Unseal their hardened hearts and reveal to them who they are and what they are betraying in this bill. Reveal their wickedness on camera. Cause them to stutter, to drop papers, to cause insult and rancor amongst themselves. Unleash Babel, that they may not talk to each other and be understood amongst each other. Reveal their evil intent. And, release in them a spirit of understanding that they and their families, friends and associates, too, will suffer as a result of this, for no one will be left untouched by the chaos they are creating. So, too, then, create a pre-cursor of that chaos amongst them, their thoughts, their communications and desires today. In front of the whole world, may they be revealed for all to see, and, as a result, send them a spirit of shame and guilt and weeping and wailing, a gasping of understanding that sits on their shoulders like a stone, and may this shake them into understanding their betrayal.

Thou art the Lord God Almighty. Praise the Name of Jesus, of the Lord Most High.

This I ask in the Name of Jesus the Christ. Amen

1,524 posted on 03/21/2010 1:45:29 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: All

Save us, O, Lord God, Almighty, from the Congressmen and Administraion enemies who would set to killing our weaker people. Today, all day, remind the COngresspeople, aides, staff and Administration lurker workers and counselors that Thou Alone Art God, that men should worship You Only. May their printers run out of toner, their faxes break down for no reason, their computers freeze up frequently, their phone lines go dead ineplicably and their cell phones lose signal. May they be ensnared in the traps of their own lies and legalese. May their hair be windblown, their clothes just not fit right and the colors they wear wash out their faces. May their makeup look pasty, their shoe soles break off and their dentures slip. May they get runs in their hosiery, their socks not match, their eyes look red and water, and may they catch a sneeze in unison for no reason. May they look the fools and knaves we know them to be. May they be overheard on camera with their true intents and feelings and may You cause them to be ensnared in their own traps.

Afflict them Lord, with Your Judgment and cover them with shame—In front of the world, each other, and, themselves.

In the Name of Christ I ask this. Amen


1,525 posted on 03/21/2010 2:04:48 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; Brytani; onyx

I hate writing this. I try to be analytical and calm, and the vast majority of the time I succeed.

However, this one by one vote counting or projecting, is giving me nervous fits when at the same time I saw what I saw before going to bed last night.

I’m up now, and here’s what I saw and heard that tells me Republicans believe this will pass. Last night Geraldo asked Darrell Issa if he believes this will pass. Issa said without doubt he believes it will.

Brutal honesty.

Now, what else did I see that buttresses Issa?. On the House Floor Republicans did a special order. Judge Louis Gomert of Texas and some others. You could tell these men were trying very hard to hope, but defeat was written on their faces, heard in their voices and shown in their body language.

I, too, will pray and hope. However, I am prepared to see it pass.

May God help us.


1,526 posted on 03/21/2010 2:24:37 AM PDT by txrangerette ("Question with boldness. Hold to the truth. Speak without fear". - Glenn Beck -)
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To: combat_boots

In Jesus Name, Amen!


1,527 posted on 03/21/2010 2:29:41 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: combat_boots

I have to admit, this is the first prayers I’ve ever seen for someones dentures to slip!!

(keep em away from Slaughter, she may try to give them to someones sister) ;-)


1,528 posted on 03/21/2010 2:33:02 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: Brytani

I can only say this, if it passes it will unite a LOT of America.

Just like after Pearl Harbor I would say, if not more so.

I am hearing some unusual discussions up here in Alaska, we have the liberal retreat of Anchorage...and then there is the very conservative rural Alaska.

Begich of course is voting yes, and the talk around the bush is that many are thinking of making life more difficult to those in Anchorage, just little things like price gouging, slowing freight down etc. So basically almost the whole rest of Alaska says NO very much but the big liberal city says yes.

Now myself I supervise a concrete batch plant, and from now on any delivery to the Anchorage area will be “zoned’ with an additional fuel charge.

Sounds petty but if I have the power to get back revenue I am now forced to pay out I most certainly will.

And I hope many more in America realize whats going to happen, your YES supporting Healthcare neighbors will not be your best buddies I suspect.


1,529 posted on 03/21/2010 3:00:52 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: txrangerette

I pray this does not pass but realize it may. Don’t lose hope though - if it does pass today is only the beginning of the fight, the war is far from over.

How many states are planning to sue over this? 38 was the last count I saw - more will join as citizens demand their rights and protections.

How many groups will sue over this bill, both conservative and liberal? Lawsuits are already written waiting to be filed, some of the greatest legal minds in this nation have said this bill is unconstitutional on so many levels that the courts will have to become involved. Many of those great minds are behind the suits awaiting passage of this bill so they can file.

Last but not least and something we should do if this passes or not; we have our own states we can work through. The Constitution allows for 2/3 of the States to propose a Constitutional Amendment both the House and Senate must accept it and send it to the States for passage (they do not get a say) from there 3/4 of the States must pass the Amendment and it’s done.

Our governors, our state legislatures, our attorney generals know three things.

1. Citizens are overwhelmingly against this bill, upwards of 80% and will demand (and are demanding) their states protect them and fight against a unconstitutional power grab by the feds and a despot President.

2. This bill will bankrupt citizens of the States and the State itself within months. Doctors, hospitals, clinics, pharmacies, medical supply companies etc will be forced out of business or simply choose to leave; this will be devastating to the States economically and for unemployment. It is not a stretch to believe people will resort to violence as their anger takes over. The States will have to not only protect the interest of the State, they will be forced to protect We The People.

3. It is much easier for Citizens to target Local/State legislatures then the feds. They must live in the State, they can’t hide in DC, on top of that their own families are forced into Obama DeathCare just like we are, they will want as much protection as we do. There are so many reasons for our State officials to do everything, up to and including succession, to protect their citizens.

I pray the USSC will quickly rule this bill unconstitutional either in full, or in part. Either way it gives us time to elect into office those whose first act will be to override any remains of this bill. Repeal, investigate, impeach should be on the lips of anyone who plans on running for office - we demand nothing less.

I fully believe this bill has the potential of pushing this country into Civil War II; and while I do not want to see that happen, it may be the only option left for us to secure our liberties and rid ourselves of an out of control tyrannical Government. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to fight for them - not to sit back leaving them in bondage. “We” made the mistake of electing these criminals into office, we have the responsibility to clean up the mess.

They may pass it today, but if Obama believes that will be the end of it, he has a big surprise coming!

God Bless!!!


1,530 posted on 03/21/2010 3:44:21 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: Brytani

I agree it may divide the country into which states are FOR or AGAINST Obamacare.

People living near the boundaries may find food, hardware, rent etc. in a FOR state will be much higher.


1,531 posted on 03/21/2010 3:50:31 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Eye of Unk

I agree with you, this will bring us together even more so then we are right now. It will also, IMO, be the straw on the camels back - divorce is imminent, we can no longer live with, compromise with or tolerate liberal/progressives/marxists. The fact is, we are the majority and we have no intention of paying alimony ;-)

I’m hearing many different things down here too. I live S. of Miami, an area that is usually conservative Democrat to moderate RINO’s. That has changed. I’m hearing over and over “This is Castro” “This is Chavez”. I lost my home country, I will not lose America” - comments like that are so common from those who have lived through this before.

I’ve never really understood the mindset of Alaskans. I know the State is pretty conservative/traditional but does have a large union presence and of course native population. Both groups that love the Government or someone else ruling over them.

Alaska is also a state that has more Government intervention then any other I can think of. I know there has been calls in the past for Alaska to cede from the Union and at times the movement had momentum. Is this bill the final act where the Fed’s go too far and Alaskans finally do push back? You would know much better than I would.


1,532 posted on 03/21/2010 3:54:58 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: Eye of Unk

Many of us have been preparing for that scenario for a while now, for good reason.


1,533 posted on 03/21/2010 4:03:35 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: Brytani

If you ever saw the size of Alaska overlapped upon the continental US and then see our population areas you would understand.

2 1/2 times BIGGER than Texas but with a total state population not more than than an average city in the lower 48, more than 3/4ths live in a small area city of Anchorage. Its just like a regular lower 48 city in many ways except for downtown moose and bears, but as soon as you literally and I mean literally get past the city limits you are in a totally different world.

Rural Alaska is very diverse, where I am in Sarah Palins home town (Wasilla)it is almost exclusively pure white, like 98% white the rest native and almost no other minorities, and heavily much like rural redknecks of the south in a way. We shoot first and usually do it right the first time. In Alaska the people are encouraged to be on their own in situations normally calling for law enforcement which could take hours to get to many places at the quickest, I have on one occasion myself detained a robbery suspect. I shot out his truck tire as he was leaving a store.


1,534 posted on 03/21/2010 4:05:27 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Brytani

I napped. Don’t believe ANYTHING from Richard Cohen.


1,535 posted on 03/21/2010 4:12:15 AM PDT by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: Diver Dave

UGH. I heard GOP Nunez speak the other night. He said just about the same about Cardoza and called Obama and the others selling water for votes “Hugo Chavez.”


1,536 posted on 03/21/2010 4:15:23 AM PDT by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: Eye of Unk

I’ve known a half dozen people either born/bred Alaskan’s or who went as adults, looking for independence, self-reliance etc. While 6 people isn’t exactly a sample size that proves anything; what you’ve told me about Alaska is exactly what they have told me.

If you plan on living there, you better be independent, self-sufficient, honest, and lazy won’t cut it. In way to many areas of the country we’ve lost that attitude - and we’re paying for it now.


1,537 posted on 03/21/2010 4:20:54 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: txrangerette; Brytani; Diver Dave; All

I think we’re all prepared to see it pass, but we fight on (call, pray and email), but by God, we fight on, no matter what.

God bless all of us and all who stand for us.

God save our Republic.

Pray!


1,538 posted on 03/21/2010 4:23:35 AM PDT by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: onyx

I tried to go to sleep but after lying there for almost an hour, I gave up - I was hoping you’d get a nap.

I’m not familiar with Cohen but I trust your judgment; no more worrying about what he says.


1,539 posted on 03/21/2010 4:23:49 AM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: onyx

G’morning...having my first cuppa. Should we keep this as live thread or start a new one- what do you think?


1,540 posted on 03/21/2010 4:24:23 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat veteran)
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