Posted on 02/12/2010 10:48:29 PM PST by OneVike
Thanks in large part to the anti military sentiment that prevails in Washington, from both sides of the isle, America is losing the war of technical advancement. What you will see in this video is a submarine from Sweden the, NemoSaltadSobrius, that cannot be detected, and even worse it has repeatedly sunk our best and most powerful naval ships in mock war games. Check out this report out of San Diego by Chuck Henry, who reports that America is attempting to figure out how to catch in before our enemies discover the secret of its elusiveness.
Ever since WWII, America has been a dominant force upon the high seas. We have become so advanced in our military technology that the Soviet Union eventually collapsed, in large part because Ronald Reagan would not back down against them. In honor of his accomplishments and great leadership, congress named the worlds largest aircraft carrier after him, the USS Ronald Reagan. Well it has been 22 years since Reagan left office, and while we have been able to hold our status as the worlds most powerful military the world has ever seen, those days could be coming to an end.
high seas. The Swedish sub "NemoSaltadSobrius" beats us in ever war game we played against it.
Swedish Submarine the NemoSaltadSobrius
Folks, we train like this for a reason. And there has been distinct interest in modern diesels and the threat of modern diesels has been openly discussed. If this war game opens some eyes in leadership that's a good thing. Hopefully, brass doesn't share the prevailing attitude on this thread of "can't happen."
“But active sonar gives away more information than it collects.”
That’s why we put it on helicopters.
The PANTHER Tank was a superior tank. Panzer was a generic name for tank. Panzer 1, 2 and 3.
We had to rely on 76mm guns to hurt most Panther/Tigers.
I'm a smug nuke. Err, I was in the 90s. The last you heard was wrong. Put "S8G" in Google. 726 class subs use natural circ reactors. (They have coolant pumps for balls to the wall operation too.) Like these AIP subs, the 726 class is described as noise holes in the ocean.
I don't know much about the S6W or S9G plants in the Seawolf and Virginia class subs, other than there is/was a S6W core in a S8G plant at the prototype facility in West Milton, NY. The things I heard about the S6W plant configuration while in the navy, I can't find on the web, so instincts tell me not to divulge the info. Suffice to say that it should be at least as quiet as the S8G plant...
Regardless of all of this who's quieter than whom talk, that's only half the picture. Sonar systems are the other half. Submarines are still the best ASW platform, and no navy in the world has as advanced passive sonar suites as ours.
Exactly correct, this sub has to position it’s self perfectly to get in a hot. Never gonna happen in the open ocean. And during times of war that is where carriers operate in the open ocean. Now in confinded waters a slow speeds this sub (any sub) is a killer.
Yeah but they can't beat us in spelling by God.
Super v. escort carriers have been studied every which way for 50 years. The big boys win.
Great point but the issue is the sites of potential conflicts; Persian Gulf, Straits of Taiwan, etc partially negate the depth of the ASW defense.
Never having been in the Navy, mine is the layman's perspective, but it would seem to me that these exercises with the Swedes ought to serve to help us to develop some tactics against this sort of D/E sub, as well as get a better grasp of "knowing what to look for" when dealing with type of weapon system.
As a Southerner, I can assure you Sherman was NO Confederate hero! He was a scalliwag Blue Belly Yankee who raised WAR CRIMES on the Southern People!!!!
It speaks well of the USN to let themselves be embarrassed to solve a serious problem.
Sometimes you learn more from losing in maneuvers like this than you do from winning.
The Vikings are at it again!
In the first place these are not diesel-electric boats. They use a propulsion system called air-independent propulsion that allows them to use their main propulsion systems without the need for an air supply. They are incredibly quiet.
And let's not forget that this submarine is the product of a high tech society, crewed by highly trained and experienced officers and men, from a navy that has operated submarines for decades. They are every bit as good as a U.S. crew on a U.S. submarine. This is not the same as a North Korean crew or a Iranian crew or a Venezuelan crew.
Wow, the Germans named their tank after a US Confederate War hero!
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I see you flunked American history, don’t worry, you have a lot of company.
'Technically' we do have some 'escort-type carriers' today, they're used by the US Marines. They're not called 'escort carrier' today, but for all intents and purposes that's what they are.
Opps, my bad! Servers me right for poking fun at a fellow Freeper.
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