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1 posted on 02/01/2010 2:44:43 AM PST by lizol
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Pure, whining stupidity. Buzek is correct, of course. Can’t change history, no matter how much you mewl about another girl showing up to the party in the same dress as yours.


2 posted on 02/01/2010 2:50:47 AM PST by RightOnline
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all were victims of the same socialist mentality — cant see the issue tbh


3 posted on 02/01/2010 2:56:28 AM PST by Irishguy
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Communists have 100,000,000 reasons to be criticized and compared with the Nazis.


5 posted on 02/01/2010 3:03:32 AM PST by Wiz
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Do these people (POS actually) listen to themselves, or is it that Euro-trash Bolsheviks’ can’t handle the truth or maybe it is just about them! I guess they seemed to not mind when Stalin was doin’ has dance on Eastern Europe.


6 posted on 02/01/2010 3:04:05 AM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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rooskies killed more people than nazis did


7 posted on 02/01/2010 3:13:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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Shoah is not unique... It’s actually somewhere in the top-middle of the list. Stalin killed more (Holodomir and others) and Mao, as the man whose “immortal” remains are still in proud and loving display in a mausoleum, smack dab in the capital of a country that is everyone’s number one trading partner, did worse than Hitler on sterorids.

All holocausts need to be remembered and studied (starting with the French Revolution’s “enlightened” slaughter of Vendée) and of course the Armenian hecatomb.

But overall I’d say that the Holocaust is well known, whereas the Holodomir (except for Glenn Beck’s recent shows) gets no media, no movies, no museums, no documentaries... and Mao even gets praised by Obama politicans for being inspirational. Other mass murderers (Che) even become fashion statements.

Comparing Fascism and Communism is like comparing rotten meat with rotten fish. But one thing is certain, Communism has more blood on its hands... and yet look at all the Communist Parties still thriving in places like Europe. Italy’s President (mostly a ceremonial position) was a Stalinist in his younger days, a man who - for example - defended the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956.

What we really need to study is why and how Communism got a cultural pass. We know a lot about Hitler’s rise to power, some of the causes (the crippling Versaille treaty after the German defeat in WW1), hyperinflation, Prussian militarism, and even certain homo-erotic elements that came with a generalized breakdown of Judeo-Christian morals.

Why did Communism get a pass? My guess is it’s because it’s more “intelligent”, that is to say theoretic, “scientific.”

Another obvious entry is because it was an erstwhile victorious ally.

Another guess, and believe me, I’m no fan of stormfront, is the Jewish influence in the media and entertainment businesses, as well as the heavy Atheist-Jewish involvement in the Russian revolution and Frankfurt School.

There are skeletons in the closet and keeping them hidden instead of frank and open discussion will only feed the conspiracists. I don’t see the need for any sort of reticence when calling Trotsky a Jew is like calling Hitler a Catholic. Or is it?

Take your pick and add some more, but it is indeed a sobering fact that our biggest trading partner (and one for whom we have shed millions of jobs and whose military industrial complex we are indirectly bolstering) still venerates the biggest mass murderer in the history of humanity, whereas the likes of a Geert Wilder gets put on trial for “Fascism”... and Muslims are absurdly likened to the Jews of old Europe under Hitler.


8 posted on 02/01/2010 3:29:18 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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Lenin, Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a choir boy.


9 posted on 02/01/2010 3:43:11 AM PST by stevem
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“Some scholars call this growing trend “the gravest threat to preserving the memory of the Holocaust,” “

That’s code for “the gravest threat to the glorification of Soviet Socialism”.


10 posted on 02/01/2010 3:49:00 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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WTF? Stalin killed far more people than Hitler. If anyone should be complaining about this comparison it should be the families of Stalin’s victims.


11 posted on 02/01/2010 4:00:19 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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The Shoah was a unique act of genocide - but only because the Holdomir and many, many others were acts of democide, not genocide.

Democide is the wholesale destruction of civilian populations. It includes genocide as a subset.

14 posted on 02/01/2010 4:21:24 AM PST by agere_contra
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What are the comparative numbers of those murdered by the Nazi and Communist tyrannies?

Seems simple to me.


19 posted on 02/01/2010 5:00:18 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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I am genuinely perplexed at this tendency to want to deny that any other group of people is deserving of recognition as victims of genocide.

Communism’s death toll exceeded that of Hitler’s. It’s just the fact of the matter. Are those victims any LESS DEAD because were murdered for reasons of political oppression rather than religion?

And yet to this day, it is still apparently acceptable to hold elective office in Europe and Russia as a Communist, while Nazism is (rightly) illegal. Germans are pretty uniformly ashamed of Hitler, while Putin regularly waxes nostalgic about the Soviet Union. It just makes no sense.


20 posted on 02/01/2010 5:19:29 AM PST by GOP_Resurrected
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“the equalization of the Nazi genocide with Communist brutal oppression.”

“Genocide” versus “brutal oppression”.

These researchers are disingenuous.

I believe the numbers killed by commies in the Soviet Union was considerably higher than that killed by the Nazis. Even greater human carnage in China.

What's with this anyway? Are these "researchers" communist mass murder deniers?

23 posted on 02/01/2010 6:10:28 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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24 posted on 02/01/2010 6:19:03 AM PST by lizol
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I know the figures are only approximate, but some 3 million Polish Jews were killed in the Holocaust. At least an equal number, 3 million Polish Christians, were killed by the murdering Nazis and Communists - Katyn being the monumental atrocity by the Communists.

Throughout Europe the Communists killed greater numbers than the Nazis, and the Wiesenthal group is doing a disservice to history by minimizing, in any way, the significance of the Communist slaughter.

Jerzy Buzek is an honorable man who is simply calling attention to reality.


25 posted on 02/01/2010 6:38:01 AM PST by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut)
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To prawda. Komuniści i naziści byli równie złe
26 posted on 02/01/2010 6:39:52 AM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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I wonder how many “scholars” don’t like this comparison because it disses communism?


30 posted on 02/01/2010 8:10:54 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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It would have been smarter to keep these separate. The Holocaust would get its due as a unique phenomenon so the communist horrors could long last be highlighted in full.


31 posted on 02/01/2010 8:15:46 AM PST by decimon
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The communists killed millions more people then the Nazi's. I guess the Jews think the it's ok for communists to kill people. Idiots!!!
35 posted on 02/01/2010 10:12:50 AM PST by monday
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The “Scholars” should tell that to the many Poles murdered [along with Polish Jews], by the first Einsatzgruppen in 1939, to the Soviet POWs the SS first tried Zyklon ‘B’ on, to the citizens of Ouradur sur Glane, Lidice, Prague,etc, to the Italians [including Jews] murdered in the Ardeantine Caves near Rome.

German extermination was not limited to Jews. Concededly, they were the focal point of Hitler’s racial obsession, and were uniquely marked out for death. But Poles, Slavs, eastern Rom, and lots of others were also killed; among them 20,000,000 [approx.] Soviet civilians.


36 posted on 02/01/2010 9:24:57 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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