Obamacare Is Dead and Here's Why [Obamacare Ongoing Thread]

Town Hall ^ | 1-26-10 | Robert A. Levy

[JustPiper]

As the Massachusetts blame game unfolds, the president’s unpopular health bill leads the list. But the substantive provisions of the bill were just part of the problem. Perhaps more important, voters were appalled by how the deal unfolded.

Consider the pre-election giveaway to the labor unions. Negotiators agreed to exempt union contracts until 2018 from the tax on so-called Cadillac health-insurance plans. That backroom bargain not only outraged the voters, it also violated the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, requiring the federal government to extend equal protection of the laws to all U.S. persons. Of course, not all voters understood the constitutional nuances, but they sensed that something was very wrong; and they reacted.

I have been disturbed by the socialists for years, ever since I learned many members of Congress 'openly' joined the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America). Several years ago, the names were published on the DSA site. (since removed of course) Please post any info you have, many of you have been on this issue for many years, & if we can store it all on one thread, we have our FreeRepublic Warehouse on the enemies of the state. How DO we combat this, when it's coming at us from every angle? When the people have been asleep for decades. Please post anything you have found or accumulated. Also choose a dictator these people follow, of particular interest,those in D.C. who have been quoted with their adulation of one.

Communism- Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism-Trotskyism-Maoism- Hoxhaism-Hoxhaism-Titoism ETC

[JustPiper]

Did you see my post with the link to GB’s documentary on YouTube? It can be seen, if you missed it, in full

[Hardastarboard]

I read the Wikipedia article part way through, skimmed the rest, and even though I saw some pretty good descriptions of the different strains of Communism, the one thing I didn’t see was how many eggs they broke to make a sh!t omelet. No mention whatsoever of the mass murders committed in the name of economic equality and trying to move the proletariat to paradise. But then, again, it’s Wikipedia.

[cricket]

These ‘lessons’ are from our Universities & this is what ‘HIStory’ is being taught.

No question, JustPiper about the MO here and how successful it has been. Add to that, Media - including 'Hollywood' - and target of Ayn Rand's as well. (David Horowitz deserves additional recognition for his ongoing efforts to shine a more public light on our shameful Liberal-Educational caste system so as to challenge and change. And do appreciate Andrew Breitbart's efforts to bring film fans to his 'Big Hollywood' site so as to show another side 'manifesting'- so to speak/lol.)

There of course, many, many carrying the 'lamps' so that more will see the light; including a Conservative and alarmed - blogdom. And you, JustPiper, are clearly doing your share of 'sharing the light' as well; as do many of course, right here at FR. ;^)/

[GailA]

It isn't dead until 0 is out of office!

The new Demonrat mantra! Woof, woof, let granny eat dog food...spoof on 'let them eat cake'. obama's war on seniors See the links in post 43-46 and on the last page.

Expanding support for families balancing work with caring for elderly relatives with a $102.5 million Caregiver Initiative adding $52.5 million in funding to Department of Health and Human Services caregiver support programs that provide temporary respite care, counseling, training, and referrals to critical services. The administration says the extra funding will allow nearly 200,000 additional caregivers to be served and 3 million more hours of respite care to be provided. It also adds $50 million to programs that provide transportation help, adult day care, and in-home services, such as aides to help seniors bathe and cook, help which eases the burden for family members and helps seniors stay in their homes.

[MeekOneGOP]

Bumpski !!

[goldi]

Rashid Khalidi — is he the Columbia professor, who along with the Solahi’s (the people who wound up at the White House “uninvited” a couple of months ago) and Obama, funneled money through an innocuous sounding organization to Palestine? This was according to a guest on the John Batchelor Show several weeks ago. Haven’t heard a thing about it since.

[goldi]

I don’t know how I posted this here. Sorry.

[SeattleBruce]

“...the legalization of same-sex marriage...”

Juan McCain’s wife and daughter and probably McCain are for that. Is he part of the group too? He votes like he is.

Ever hear of “McCain-Feingold?
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I would say McCain calls himself a progressive, in his more lucid moments, when he’s having beers with them...

AND he thinks Conservatives will ruin the Republican party and are a##holes.

2 + 2 = 4.

I sure wish Sarah Palin would reconsider her endorsement of Juan.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Thank you Meek. Deep expose.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[azishot]

BUMP...thanks, JustPiper. Will have to read later.

Don’t know if you’ve seen this. Just received it as an email.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc

[freekitty]

I so agree. There is definately high activity going on with the RINOS now. They are again pushing with government pretend conservatives (you know the ones that are really siding with the enemy). Their candidates are being shoved down our throats with glee.

This should and will be the year of electing men and women like Jim DeMint. We are not people of political high jinx; rather we are people who want America to suceed. The Tea Party was born for this very reason and it should be kept that way. No backing down. America is a country of freedom. We want production like manufacturing and farming. We don’t want little Kings and Queens. We want men and women with the ability to lead; not destroy. We are tired of cheats, crooks, liars and thieves.

McCain and RINOS like him are doing us no favors. Their real definition of moderate and crossing the aisle is really we are the enemy and have been all of the time. It’s time to unelect them.

[freekitty]

Never forget how John McCain was selected not elected as our candidate.

[blackie]

The brain dead libtards pushing 0bamaCare, are tone deaf, it’s as if they have a death (politically) wish.
Glenn Beck (I DVR his 2PM show every week day) has really explained what these cretins are up to.

I told all of my friends, when he first started running for office, that Obama was a con artist; a shuck and jive, flim flam man. Damn, I use to sell asbestos siding back in the day and he would have a been top closer.

Enough reminiscing...Be Ever Vigilant!

[TigersEye]

It has been posted many times but here is my addition, JP.

Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393

So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."

HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.

I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)

[caww]

Oh WOW... this link to this guy was absolutely dead on! He summed up in that short time the whole ball of wax on opposing this health care plan...

...looks like they are still moving on it though...a diversion perhaps?

[JustPiper]

What a pleasure to have your intelligent insight cricket & thank you for your kindness

[JustPiper]

Many of us are seniors & the affect this has on the ‘boomers’ is starting to be felt. My FRiends have discussed how their SS checks are being affected, I don’t suppose any will be left when it’s my turn. Paying into a system that’s bankrupt. Obama see’s many classes as expendable

And there is no end in sight-

Fill in the blank: Obama proposing spending freeze is like…

http://michellemalkin.com/

[JustPiper]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention goldi. We have the greatest minds at FR & if it's knower it will be posted at FR. He's an interesting character for sure.

~”While Teaching At The University Of Chicago, Khalidi And His Wife Lived In The Hyde Park Neighborhood Near The Obamas. The Families Became Friends And Dinner Companions.” (Peter Wallsten, “Allies Of Palestinians See A Friend In Obama,” Los Angeles Times, 4/10/08)

Nice company he keeps though, what on his FB? William Ayers,
Ali Abunimah,Ali Abunimah,The Woods Fund of Chicago

*FRiends does anyone have an update on this joker?

[JustPiper]

Glad you did, I’m not sorry :)