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Climategate Will Now Hit the EPA (PJM Exclusive)
Pajamas Media ^ | 12-02-09 | Alan Carlin

Posted on 12/02/2009 10:47:49 AM PST by thouworm

The emails and computer files from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in Great Britain may prove to be of some importance to the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) current attempts to control greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.

This is because the EPA — perhaps at the urging of others in the Obama administration — has proposed to regulate GHG emissions on the basis of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports … and reports primarily based on the IPCC reports.

This is highly unusual for the EPA. I cannot think of any instance where the EPA depended so heavily on non-EPA synthesis reports to justify proposed regulatory action in their almost 39 years of existence.

As a result of this EPA decision, the EPA’s fortunes in regard to regulating GHGs are directly tied to the fate of the IPCC reports.


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1 posted on 12/02/2009 10:47:51 AM PST by thouworm
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To: thouworm

CRU = IPCC


2 posted on 12/02/2009 10:53:30 AM PST by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: thouworm; Delacon; Thunder90; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; Nervous Tick; 4horses+amule; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

4 posted on 12/02/2009 10:58:51 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: thouworm
As a result of this EPA decision, the EPA’s Carol Browner's fortunes in regard to regulating GHGs are directly tied to the fate of the IPCC reports.

And she is a BFF of obama.

5 posted on 12/02/2009 11:02:31 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2; ETL

Freeper ETL has a good file on Browner


6 posted on 12/02/2009 11:04:33 AM PST by thouworm
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7 posted on 12/02/2009 11:11:35 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Winged Hussar
From Freeper Winged Hussar
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Alleged scientific misconduct and academic dishonesty at Barack Obama's Environmental Protection Agency

Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) has already put it on record in her letter to the Wall Street Journal that the real purpose of so-called greenhouse gas regulations, such as government-mandated cap and trade regulations, is to enrich Barack Obama's campaign contribution bundlers at J.P. Morgan Chase (six figures in bundled contributions) and Goldman Sachs (almost a million dollars in bundled contributions).

Bundled contributions are entirely legal but the thing nonetheless speaks for itself; Barack Obama is dancing the cap-and-trade with the fat cat climate profiteers who brought (or bought) him at the expense of the American people. This could easily be why his Environmental Protection Agency is allegedly engaging in academic dishonesty and scientific misconduct to support the cap and trade agenda.

We refer specifically to the alleged suppression of research that does not support Barack Obama's "climate change" agenda, and therefore does not support the bottom lines of Goldmine Sachs (Michael Savage's terminology), J.P. Morgan Chase, and their fellow climate profiteers at General Electric (almost $500,000 in bundled contributions to elect Obama).


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8 posted on 12/02/2009 11:13:31 AM PST by thouworm
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To: thouworm
This is good news, thanks for postings

This was from (Sept 09) :

Climate lawsuits are coming, AL Gore & Czar Browner warn

Former Vice President Al Gore and current White House climate change czar Carol Browner are warning companies and lawmakers that the courts will step in to regulate greenhouse gases if Congress fails to act.

"All of the discussion has been about the president and the Congress," Gore told journalists at a U.N. press conference Tuesday. "We have a third branch of government: the courts."

I think Gore was counting on using EPA and the courts to advance his agenda as backup.

9 posted on 12/02/2009 11:18:31 AM PST by opentalk
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To: steelyourfaith; markomalley
From Freeper Markomalley
Does anyone know what happened to this legislation?

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EPA to Impose Global Warming Regulations: Will Congress Intervene?
Heritage ^ | 9/18/2009 | Nick Loris

President Obama doesn’t want to run the auto industry, but he had to, temporarily of course, to save the economy. And Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency Lisa Jackson doesn’t want to regulate carbon dioxide, but the EPA seems intent on moving forward regardless. Fortunately, Congress could shorten the EPA’s long, regulatory leash by amending the Interior-Environment appropriations spending bill early next week.

The Environmental Protection Agency issued a proposed endangerment finding in April, saying that global warming and climate change pose a serious threat to public health and safety and thus almost anything that emits carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases could be regulated under the Clean Air Act. The agency is already targeting the ailing auto industry. New regulations are proposing that the fleet average must reach 35.5 miles per gallon by 2016, which will increase the price and decrease the safety of the vehicle.

Earlier in September, Jackson said prefers cap and trade to regulating greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act:

"Legislation is so important, because it will combine the most efficient, most economy-wide, least costly (and) least disruptive way to deal with carbon dioxide pollution. We get further faster without top-down regulation.”

The amendment planning to be offered would prevent those top down regulations that could include new standards for hotels, retail stores, apartment complexes, restaurants, airplanes, ocean-going freighters and tankers and even lawnmowers. And the regulations would be costly.


Heritage economists modeled the effects of proposed EPA regulations and found:

• Cumulative gross domestic product (GDP) losses are nearly $7 trillion by 2029 (in infla­tion-adjusted 2008 dollars), according to The Heritage Foundation/Global Insight model (described in Appendix A).
• Single-year GDP losses exceed $600 billion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).
• Annual job losses exceed 800,000 for several years.
• Some industries will see job losses that exceed 50 percent.

The full report is available here. It’s safe to say these cost estimates are low since the model does not consider the substantial administrative costs of complying with the new regulations. And keep in mind, the job losses are after accounting for “green” job creation.

Congressman Collin Peterson (D-MN) weighed in, arguing the EPA would gain tremendous power and micromanage the economy:

With or without Congressional action, EPA will be free to regulate greenhouse gases, resulting in one of the largest and most bureaucratic nightmares that the U.S. economy and Americans have ever seen. And, with EPA in the lead, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, arguably the voice of agriculture and rural America, would be left out of the process. Let me be clear, this is not a responsibility we want to leave in the hands of EPA.”

Whether it’s cap-and-trade legislation or EPA’s proposed regulations, attempting to restrict energy use by cutting carbon dioxide would be toxic to an ill economy. Even in the best of economic times, this policy would likely end them.

See thread for additional internal links.

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10 posted on 12/02/2009 11:27:42 AM PST by thouworm
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To: thouworm
There exists a possibility that the EPA’s current approach might succeed by some judicial fluke

From earlier posted link:

"The Supreme Court ruled over a year ago that CO2 emissions are pollution as covered in the Clean Air Act,"

"The U.S. EPA as a result of that court ruling has the [authority] to mandate reductions….Yes, there would be some efforts in the legislative branch to remove that authority but anything in the legislative branch of that sort would be vetoed by the president."

--I wonder if the court ruling was based on the corrupted data. If so this will continue to blow up.

11 posted on 12/02/2009 11:28:00 AM PST by opentalk
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To: xcamel

Thanks for the ping.


12 posted on 12/02/2009 11:29:04 AM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific FRAUD in history-James Lewis)
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To: opentalk
Thanks for thread link. See Freeper Opentalk's thread:

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Climate lawsuits are coming, AL Gore & Czar Browner warn
Politico ^ | September 22, 2009 | Josh Gerstein

Former Vice President Al Gore and current White House climate change czar Carol Browner are warning companies and lawmakers that the courts will step in to regulate greenhouse gases if Congress fails to act.

"All of the discussion has been about the president and the Congress," Gore told journalists at a U.N. press conference Tuesday. "We have a third branch of government: the courts."

(snip)

Gore said the trend in the courts was favoring greater regulation. "The Supreme Corurt ruled over a year ago that CO2 emissions are pollution as covered in the Clean Air Act," he said. "The U.S. EPA as a result of that court ruling has the [authority] to mandate reductions….Yes, there would be some efforts in the legislative branch to remove that authority but anything in the legislative branch of that sort would be vetoed by the president."

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13 posted on 12/02/2009 11:35:22 AM PST by thouworm
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To: Cindy
Thead from Freeper Cindy
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THE BRIEFING ROOM • THE BLOG TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2009 AT 4:36 PM
Taking the Lead on Climate Change for the First Time
Posted by Carol Browner

Today, I joined the President on his trip to the United Nations Climate Change Summit, where President Obama called on leaders from around the world to come together in pursuing policies that allow economies to grow without endangering out planet. The President delivered a message of international unity because no nation – regardless of size or wealth – can escape the impacts of climate change.

As President Obama said today, rising sea levels threaten every coastline; threats like more powerful storms and floods, more frequent droughts and hunger are challenges that know no borders.

White House.gov

(President Barack Obama addresses the Climate Change Summit at the UN General Assembly in New York

, New York on Tuesday September 22, 2009.

The time we have to reverse this tide is running out. But I am confident that we can reverse it.

And no administration in the history of the United States has done more to promote clean energy and reduce greenhouse gas emissions in eight months than this one.

From making the largest-ever investment in renewable energy to investing billions to cut energy waste, and proposing for the first time ever a new national standard aimed at both increasing fuel economy and reducing greenhouse gas pollution for all new cars and trucks.

And most importantly, the House of Representatives passed an energy and climate bill in June that would finally make clean energy the profitable kind of energy for American businesses and dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions. We are looking forward to engaging with the Senate as they craft their legislation.

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14 posted on 12/02/2009 11:45:02 AM PST by thouworm
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To: opentalk; UCANSEE2

that phrase “judicial fluke” is alarming. All the tentacles of ClimateFraud have to be lopped off, so this beast can shrivel up and die.


15 posted on 12/02/2009 11:50:29 AM PST by thouworm
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To: thouworm
Freeper ETL has a good file on Browner

Obama's "Climate Czar" is on the same page with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro on "glo-bull warming".

From The Washington Times, January 12, 2009...

Obama climate czar has socialist ties
Group sees 'global governance' as solution

by Stephen Dinan

Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

lots more...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/12/obama-climate-czar-has-socialist-ties/
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Here's a link to an image of a Google cache of the Socialist International's webpage that originally included Obama's "Climate Czar" Carol Browner. It was found by FReeper, Publius6961:
http://24ahead.com/images/si-csws-cache-as-of-011009.jpg
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Obama makes U.N. debut on global warming
September 22, 2009

From the transcript (final paragraph):

President Obama: "But the journey is long and the journey is hard. And we don't have much time left to make that journey. It's a journey that will require each of us to persevere through setbacks, and fight for every inch of progress, even when it comes in fits and starts. So let us begin. For if we are flexible and pragmatic, if we can resolve to work tirelessly in common effort, then we will achieve our common purpose: a world that is safer, cleaner, and healthier than the one we found; and a future that is worthy of our children."

Obama makes U.N. debut on global warming (text, video here):
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/09/obama-makes-un-debut-on-global-warming-text-video-here.html
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From GreenLeft.org

VENEZUELA: Chavez calls for global offensive for socialism
August 31, 2005

excerpts...

"The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet."

"I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don't think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, 'tomorrow could be too late, let's do now what we need to do'."

"I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet."

--Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/640/640p16.htm
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President Obama and Venezuela dictator Hugo
Chavez at the 2009 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.
Note the "soul bro" handshake.

Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97KK2T00&show_article=1

16 posted on 12/02/2009 12:18:52 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: neverdem; Star Traveler
See Freeper Neverdem's Thread:
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Global Warming’s Missing Link: EPA Whistleblower Exposes Agenda’s Fatal Flaw
Energy Tribune ^ | Jul. 20, 2009 | Chris Horner

The Environmental Protection Agency is pushing the greatest regulatory intervention in US history, seeking to declare that carbon dioxide poses an “endangerment” under the Clean Air Act, threatening human health and the environment. To hear the EPA tell it, CO2 – which nonetheless remains indispensible to life on earth and without which plants die, more of which produces higher crop yields, etc. – will kill us all.

This proposal is a cornerstone of the Obama administration’s attempt to bring the energy sector of the economy under state control just as it seeks to do with health care, essentially ruining something in order to take it over in the name of cleaning up capitalism’s mess. It’s an old play, which the statists have run for decades, certain that every now and then it will break for a big gain.

But an inconvenient EPA career professional just doing his job assessed the premise and informed his superiors, in the sole substantive report presented in the Agency’s internal deliberations, that upon scrutiny CO2 clearly does not drive temperatures or climate but oddly enough, the sun and oceans do. His boss told him to shut up, that nothing good could come to their office by injecting this analysis into the process, as the decision had been made.

One problem with that, of course, is that the decision is not allowed to be made before the process has run its course. That is the entire purpose of an internal debate which, internal documents now prove, was truncated and in fact illusory.

For his troubles, this physics graduate of Cal Tech and MIT PhD economist – which are why he had his job – was subjected to the ritual smear job as unqualified by the thugs running the global warming industry. The nicest thing said about him was “He’s not a climate scientist!” shrieked by legions of non-scientists nonetheless cocksure of their own wisdom, insight and informed judgment on the matter.

Left unmentioned were the scientific credentials of the EPA administrator, President Obama, and the 535 members of Congress who are tasked with deciding the issue. “He’s just an economist!” the non-scientists’ line continued, ignoring that whole physics-degree thing and that, ah, well, the UN’s “chief climate scientist” is “just an economist.” Again, as the whistleblower Dr. Alan Carlin learned, facts have little weight in this debate. Still, one key truth that Carlin brought to the fore exposes how – assuming that sanity prevails in the Senate and Congress is unable to impose “cap-and-trade” energy rationing – his exposé will carry the day in court.

This is man-made warming theory’s missing link. The global warming industry and its political enablers have been getting away with an amazing stunt of backing out from the equation inconvenient things which your lying eyes might tell you. Amid the cries of “warming proceeding even faster than predicted” – an actual, common claim among alarmists, politicians and the media – observations reveal that the recent cooling has brought us to the average of the entire 30-year history of the satellite temperature record.

Climate changes and temperatures go up and down, that’s what they do, so it is surely an amusing coincidence of statistics to see no temperature change following a three-decade-long cooling spell that ended with the coldest decade of the century (the 1970s). To see this as “global warming” hysteria hijacks the policymaking process of a major economic power is staggering.

The crux of what Carlin revealed is that the alarmist campaign has, through indignant repetition and an absurdly flawed syllogism, substituted man-made greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions as a proxy for temperatures. The disfavored human activity somehow now equates with the weather, a bizarre apples-and-stethoscopes comparison.

To grasp this we need a quick history of the campaign. By the late 1980s “global cooling” had given way to warming as a vehicle for various types to rally the public around their agenda (the Club of Rome admitted this in its 1991 book “The First Global Revolution”). This global warming industry coalesced to demand fealty to a strange premise: Mankind would agree to employ the gentle ministrations of national and, preferably, supranational bureaucrats to keep the earth’s temperature from rising more than two degrees Celsius higher than “pre-industrial” temperatures.

Now, “pre-industrial” is code for the most cynical statistical cherry-picking of our time, given the approximation with the end of a geophysical phenomenon known as the Little Ice Age, a miserable, cold and cloudy period of crop failure, infant mortality and disease.

This “two degree solution” didn’t last long, thanks to what I can only guess was a nagging fear that the public are aware that temperatures go up and down. It soon gave way to a metric of keeping atmospheric GHG concentrations below a “dangerous” level, though the UN scientists (economists, whatever) tasked with asserting what that level is refused to do so.

This was never about climate anyway but population, lifestyle, energy use and, above all else, control, so such obstacles were ignored and the industry moved right on to a metric even more convenient for them, GHG emissions. This is the tortured path bringing about the oddity of alarmists citing emissions going up faster than predicted as proving that global warming is proceeding faster than predicted, while temperatures are flat and even cooling. To date, it’s worked.

EPA’s “endangerment finding” is rife with this absurd non sequitor: CO2 concentrations are going up, Man’s CO2 is surely behind this, therefore man is causing climate change. In its “finding” the EPA, like the UN’s IPCC, fail to establish the missing link, that CO2 drives climate. Instead, EPA just points to the IPCC, which in turn simply proclaims the relationship, having itself also never having cited any authority establishing (rather than assuming) that CO2 drives temperature or climate, in the past or now.

While never the subject of a US court’s scrutiny, this premise for the entire enterprise will by necessity be a principal focus of any challenge to EPA. It seems highly doubtful that EPA could support such a line of, for lack of a better word, reasoning, particularly in light of Carlin’s stifled analysis and recent peer-reviewed literature. This will only occur by avoiding the panic-stricken acceptance by industry holdouts of some (they hope) a less-bad deal in the Senate for fear of EPA.

Upon scrutiny, covered industry has no option for long-term survival but to pursue victory. This begins in the Senate, which still lacks the votes to pass climate legislation. Neither peace nor concern is for sale, and industry should not cut a deal. The alarmist industry has never been forced to make its case. The EPA can be forced to make it, and it is unlikely that they can.

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Also see post #9 from StarTraveler:

The following is an *excellent* video documentary on the so-called “Global Warming.” I would recommend it to all FReepers. It’s a very well-made documentary.

“The Great Global Warming Swindle” LINK

17 posted on 12/02/2009 12:20:19 PM PST by thouworm
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To: ETL

Thanks, ETL


18 posted on 12/02/2009 12:27:10 PM PST by thouworm
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To: thouworm
Thanks for the reference. I had to update the links and some information on that post of mine. The following is updated. Some of those prior links (in the other post) were pulled and are no longer there. So, these should be okay...



It’s one thing to gripe and complain about these things and disagree with it, but it’s quite another to convince your friends and neighbors and relatives and coworkers...

THEREFORE..., it’s also absolutely necessary for people to know the information in the following documentary. If there were simply one video that you could see and/or show people you know... this would be the one...


The following is an excellent video documentary on the so-called “Global Warming” I would recommend it to all FReepers. It’s a very well-made documentary.

“The Great Global Warming Swindle”

If you want to download it, via a BitTorrent site (using a BitTorrent client), you can get it at the following link. Information about BitTorrent protocol and BitTorrent clients and their comparison at these three links (in this sentence). Some additional BitTorrent information here and here.

Download it here...
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3635222/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle
[This is a high-quality copy, of about a gigabyte in size. This link is the information about it, and you have to click the download link to get it on your BitTorrent client software. You'll also find users' comments here, too.]

It’s worth seeing and having for relatives, friends, neighbors and coworkers to see.

Also, see it online here...
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swindle.php
[this one is considerably lower quality, is a flash video and viewable online, of course..., and also, you can download flash video on a website either yourself or some software doing it.]

Buy it on DVD here...
[this would be the very highest quality version, on a DVD disk, of several gigabytes in size...] At Amazon, it seems to be high-priced now and have only a few copies right now.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WLUXZE

At WAGtv (a UK shop), but don't know about shipping. The price is reasonable, though.
https://www.wagtv.com/product/The-Great-Global-Warming-Swindle-322.html
[And..., some information from WAGtv about this item.]


Also, in split parts on YouTube...

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 1 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 2 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5rGpDMN8lw

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 3 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFL6Ixe_bo

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 4 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNQy2rT_dvU

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 5 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dzIMXGI6k8

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 6 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GjOgQN1Jco

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 7 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHI2GfbfrYw

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 8 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N9benJh3Lw

The Great Global Warming Swindle - Credits (Part 9 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1ifP-ri58

19 posted on 12/02/2009 12:28:33 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: opentalk

—I wonder if the court ruling was based on the corrupted data. If so this will continue to blow up.

Any idea what the penalty is for submitting false evidence to the US Supreme Court?


20 posted on 12/02/2009 12:29:25 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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