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Using TARP to pay down deficit? The math doesn’t add up
Reuters ^ | 11/12/09

Posted on 11/12/2009 11:03:08 AM PST by FromLori

First, the nub of the WH idea: The White House is looking to cut its budget deficit by using some unspent funds from the U.S. government’s Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), the Wall Street Journal said, citing people familiar with the matter.

Members of the Obama administration are still debating the idea, the paper said, adding that the administration would still like to keep some of the unspent money in case of emergencies. A U.S. Treasury source told Reuters that it was shifting the focus of the TARP program toward helping small business and the housing sector rather than large banks. “As that focus shifts, we expect to use significantly less TARP funding than authorized,” the source said. “We will maintain the flexibility to deal with a future crisis, and uninvested TARP money is dedicated to reducing the debt.”

But as my pal Dan Clifton of the Strategas Group points out, this idea neglects certain budget realities: Is this really news? The US government has already issued the debt for the funds and any unused money would logically be used to retire that debt.

There is about $300bn in unspent TARP funds now. But none of that can be used as deficit reduction. Why? Because the money has not been spent yet. And is it really $300bn? Absolutely not, the administration decided to change the accounting to a net present value basis. So any savings would be negligible. The punchline: This story makes a great headline against the concerns over deficits, but will have zero impact on debt issuance and the deficit

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deficit; tarp
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1 posted on 11/12/2009 11:03:11 AM PST by FromLori
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To: FromLori; perchprism; LomanBill; JDoutrider

Related I wonder if bo wants to be able to tell the Chinese he is working on the deficit?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/222142


2 posted on 11/12/2009 11:04:15 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

No doubt it’s a math problem from a public run school by the the gov’mint


3 posted on 11/12/2009 11:06:40 AM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FromLori

This sounds like Mayor Daley accounting........


4 posted on 11/12/2009 11:08:03 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: FromLori
This is the republican idea ridiculed at MSNBC. Remember when every dime of government spending created a job and it didn't matter how it was spent? (stimulus economic talk in February)

Obama is poll reading, may be related to health care reform politics.

5 posted on 11/12/2009 11:08:56 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: FromLori

Can I use my Mastercard to pay off my Visa?


6 posted on 11/12/2009 11:09:40 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: FromLori

Isn’t this like using your credit cards to pay your mortgage?


7 posted on 11/12/2009 11:09:48 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: FromLori

A community organizers fuzzy math....


8 posted on 11/12/2009 11:10:30 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: FromLori
the administration would still like to keep some of the unspent money in case of...

future elections.

9 posted on 11/12/2009 11:11:50 AM PST by C210N (Statist seizure of words: 'gay', 'marriage'. next up: 'hope', 'change'.)
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To: FromLori

Does anyone else remember what the total TARP bill ended up being after the senate was through? (Yeah, I talking to you, Barry! You were there.)


10 posted on 11/12/2009 11:12:02 AM PST by griswold3 (You think health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's FREE!)
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It is? So you are saying the Republicans wanted to do this and now obama is using it?


11 posted on 11/12/2009 11:14:36 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

It must be the math was done by the stupid city kids who avoid math to get a good GPA.


12 posted on 11/12/2009 11:20:28 AM PST by abc1
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The reason I see this as being bogus is that the banks are still asking for more bailout money.

There is also no guarantee that we wont have another meltdown.

If they were serious about cutting the budget deficit they would cut the PORKULUS “stimulus” money of which they haven’t even spent 50%. (Not sure what the correct number is now).

This is smoke and mirrors. When more money is needed for our financial system they will just create it. If stimulus money is used to do the same, they actually have to vote for more money.

Imagine if they used 500bill from stimulus and 500 bill from TARP...but no they prefer to enlarge governments role.


13 posted on 11/12/2009 11:24:39 AM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: FromLori

Paying off the debt with more debt, yet saving enough to buy political favors, is the kind of scheme NeoCommies can get behind.

These are people who plan on buying their power with stolen money and never giving it up, not even when they are voted out. They are NeoCommies gangster style.


14 posted on 11/12/2009 11:26:56 AM PST by pallis
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To: FromLori
using borrowed money to pay off borrowed money??

am I missing something here???

15 posted on 11/12/2009 11:28:22 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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16 posted on 11/12/2009 11:30:07 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: FromLori; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping


17 posted on 11/12/2009 11:32:05 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: elpadre

I know thats what I thought but post #5 says it is a republican idea????


18 posted on 11/12/2009 11:32:18 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori
It seems to me a Republican should demand it be returned to the Treasury to offset that part of the China loan received - or whoever we borrowed from.
19 posted on 11/12/2009 11:44:15 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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RE :”It is? So you are saying the Republicans wanted to do this and now obama is using it?”

Sorry, A number of republicans ‘called on’ Obama to not spend the stimulus and MSNBC Schulz, Maddow, Olbermann made fun of them for not caring about jobs. Cavuto was on this even before the stimulus passed.

TARP is even less popular, even with liberals, so this makes political sense to claim this. Not sure what republicans said about TARP spending though doubtful they wanted him to spend it.


20 posted on 11/12/2009 11:49:08 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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