Posted on 11/07/2009 8:07:41 PM PST by jern
Just had the 218th vote, which is what they need to psas th ebill
I don’t see how one single defection offsets 170 who held firm. For God’s sake, that’s ridiculous. No group in history has that kind of perfection.
But you are still talking only 30, or, at best, 40 seats changing hands. That isn’t enough to undo this over Obama’s veto. We need 150 seats to change hands and 40 in the Senate. That’s how difficult it’s going to be to undo this.
Agreed again. I guess I am just getting more specific on what we need to insist on when GOP does get some power back. I was sooooo disappointed last time last time they got it after Clinton gave them the opportunity. They turned into Dems when they didn’t even need to.
He needs to be contested by a true GOP. Kick his ass out of the party.
Then again, I suppose the tea parties - if large enough, and covered by the media, even if only Fox News - can serve to fire up the slumbering voters to (hopefully) vote the 'RATs out of power in 2010. It may have worked somewhat for the election in NJ. We met a LOT of angry "non-political" NJ residents at the 9/12 March on DC (I realize that is only anecdotal evidence).
I guess all we can do at this point is to attempt to delay any health care bill vote in the Senate for as long as possible? The 2010 elections are still too far off to make any difference there unfortunately.
It's looking pretty grim...
‘this’
First of all it won’t be HR3962 that passes the Senate. Not sure what, if anything passes the Senate. Probably something. But not this.
So whatever we have to undo, we have 2010 and then 2012 after that to really get ‘er done.
Do NOT give up fighting.
Will this be hard? Yes.
Will we all have to be more politically active than we care to be and than we’ve ever been in our lives? Yes.
Is our country worth that? YES!
I was sooooo disappointed last time last time they got it after Clinton gave them the opportunity. They turned into Dems when they didn’t even need to.
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Right. Oddly enough - this is an opportunity for Conservatives - even as Reagan had and as Newt, et al, including W. Bush had...
How will we handle this opportunity?
I think we’re much better organized to handle RINOs then we ever have been. In fact, we’re handling them so well that they’re leaving the GOP (Specter) - will Cao leave next?
What happened in NY 23, VA and NJ will cause others who are not towing at least the basic conservative growth message - to run, not walk to us. And if they don’t - watch out.
I watched with amusement as Charlie Crist laughed at the Tea Party in FL’s message to him...he’d best start running rightward!
Go TEA PARTIERS! It’s Boston - and it’s 1773 for this nation again...and we’re fightin’ the ‘king o’ the british empire’...
I watched with amusement as Charlie Crist laughed at the Tea Party in FL’s message to him...he’d best start running rightward!
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I should have said I watched with odd amusement - perhaps disbelief...Crist needs to make some pretty quick amends with the right - if he wishes to survive.
Go Rubio! Listen - Rubio’s got the primary race to either beat Crist or draw him rightward...that’s a GOOD thing!
I guess all we can do at this point is to attempt to delay any health care bill vote in the Senate for as long as possible? The 2010 elections are still too far off to make any difference there unfortunately.
It’s looking pretty grim...
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We won’t stop fighting. I believe they are tallying the calls - especially in the tight reelection races - we should target those blue dog D Senators for sure with calls emails before the Senate shoe drops - whatever it is.
Then on to 2010.
Sorry. I’m not going to waste my time trying to convince idiots that vote for and support government-run (socialized) healthcare of anything. They are already too brainwashed with entitlement-minded idiocy or too self-invested and too self-serving to care about the welfare of anyone but themselves, not even at the cost of the entire nation.
I simply don’t have the patience (especially these days). If they’re too stupid to comprehend that the government can’t LEGALLY force anyone to carry insurance under the US Constitution, I can’t help them.
I think it’s past time for us to try to win the hearts and minds of the retarded. Don’t you?
It’s time for us to act and take back this country.
In a word, None.
Will things really change in 2010?
"The people have an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to reform or change their government whenever it be found adverse or inadequate to the purposes of its institution." - James Madison
"Yeah, we’re going to need more tactics and techniques to think about like this - to starve the beast."
You guys just don't get it, do you? Defund the beast? The beast has funded itself. The beast has already padded their future paychecks for future decades with billions of dollars of our money. Remember the stimulus (porkulus) bailout? Remember how MOST of that money was not spent and is still sitting there, in the DemocRat coffers....just waiting for them to use it as they please.
Oh sure. Go ahead and try to starve the beast, while they continue to laugh their @sses off at us conservatives and every lame attempt we make to thwart them. If we're lucky, we may kill a few of them off when they choke to death from laughing so hard.
If/when this massive healthcare bs passes the senate, you will learn what the word slavery really means.
I'm telling you, this commie takeover was well planned and plotted for a LONG time. They have anticipated any moves we might make and have planned accordingly. They're not holding onto the stimulus money for a pre-election disbursement. They're holding onto it in case we conservatives, their oppostion, gets uppity and tries to "starve the beast".
Wake up and smell the reality. The first rule is: Never underestimate your opponent. As I look around and read various freeper posts, that's all I'm seeing. You are underestimating the DemocRats/leftists/communists (ie your opponents).
Wait and tarry at your own peril.
I hope to GOD that I am wrong and that all my postings/warnings will not happen and will just be paranoid ravings of a madwoman (yes, I'm mad, I admit it). I'm praying that I am wrong. But I really don't think so.
I choose to stay positive and to do what I can to defeat to ObamaCare. I don’t care what you say, it is NOT inevitable. The bill passing the House WAS inevitable because the majority can essentially ram anything through they want due to the way House rules are set up.
So in your world, you have to be depressed, fatalistic, and resigned to the fact that ObamaCare will pass, the Republican party is dead, and everything is going to hell in a handbasket.....otherwise you’re a ‘RINO’??
Here’s a free tip.....stop being part of the problem, and start being a part of the solution. Negativity and whining won’t stop ObamaCare, pal.
Don’t think you were. Not for a minute. I know we are on the same team: True Individual Liberty.
Those that are spending their time this morning venting and threatening are not doing much to affect any change, and the last decade proves that without a change, we’re screwed. Repubs and/or Dems in charge, doesn’t matter.
People like us need to try define the debate to bring some unity of principle.
That is why I even replied to you. Not that all of those venting aren’t exactly right, but those with thoughts of what to do now are the one’s I am interested in. And, in my opinion, the what to do now goes way beyond just flopping the power over to the same old Repubs that let us down every time. No more McCainism, Grahamism, Trent Lottism, etc.
I refuse to get disabled by the, we have work within the confines of the current set up (party) to stand a chance. Liberty doesn’t stand a chance in the current set up.
We have to win the hearts and minds of the retarded, just as they did this last election (2008). It feels lonely out here not really being part of any group, just the group of producers in this country who are taken for granted every day.
If they could go up against the Clinton machine and win, this can give us a reason to have faith that someone can go up against the Rhino machine and win. They were able to turn a mostly moderate and inert dem party into a super liberal party in one or two cycles. Why can’t we turn a moderately liberal GOP into super conservative party in one or two cycles?
Thanks for the conversation. We all need to have more like this.
Respectfully,
I'll try to answer that 'why'. Others may be able to do it more succinctly, but I'll give it a whirl.
Do you remember how Al Gore successfully legalized about a million Mexican immigrants right before the election? That was only a million. By now, there's an estimated 20 million illegal immigrants in this country. The real figure is more like twice that. When Obama announces his intention to sign the reform bill to legalize those illegals, millions MORE will flood across the border. I figure about 50 million or more illegal immigrants will become American citizens ala Zero. Do you really think we'll have a snowballs' chance in hell of winning an election after that? We're talking raw numbers here. There are just so many of us, and just so many of the Independents .....and millions more DemocRat voters coming up on the horizon.
That, plus the fact that under Obama Deathcare, many of us babyboomers will be conveniently killed off with their death panels and rationing of treatment. Couple that with another mysterious release of an odd strain (read man-made) of flu ....and our numbers will be decreased, even without consideration of how many of us will refuse to take the mandatory health coverage and will probably end up in Zero's gulag.
I'm sorry. I really hate to be (and to feel) this negative and pessimistic. I hate the fact that I'm a realist. My dad used to accuse me of living in a dream world when I was young. Hard to believe, eh? I was a regular Polyanna once. No, I wasn't a liberal. I was just non-political.
That was BEFORE I became aware of the political situation and reality in this country, even though I've always hated communists for some reason. I empathized with the people of Russia especially, but it was so removed that I never knew why I hated them. I never understood why I felt so strongly against communism until now.
I'd have given almost anything to be able to go back to that time once... and be able to be a dreamer again.... blissfully ignorant of reality. It's a much healthier place to be emotionally, spiritually and ulcer-wise. But collective head in the sand 'la-la-land' mentality is what got us into this disaster in the first place. And being healthy one minute doesn't mean you can't be dead the next. I couldn't go back there now. I'm a different person and I know too much to want to. The genie is out of the bottle.
I see the logic of that, but there may be dynamics within his district that make that avery bad idea or very good idea. What I’d like to see is the LA pub party boot him out and let the rats support him instead of using our money to elect someone who is, for all practical purposes, a rat.
Resist tyranny!
But with McCain, amnesty would probably have been already signed, along with porkulus, so really, would he have been any better at this point?
Anyways, do you really think more than a very small number of Freepers actually voted for Obama? I don’t. Except for the trolls and plants.
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I know for a fact that some Freepers voted for Zero, in protest. Some stayed home, again in protest, unless they were lying when they posted their intentions. And McCain most definitely would be better than this Communist we have in the White House now. We are doomed.
You got it. Reality. We are being given the same choice our founding fathers had to make. The only question is....
are we up to it?
I’m seeing an awful lot of freepers who have yet to grasp the situation. That can be a very dangerous condition (denial).
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