Posted on 11/06/2009 9:50:24 PM PST by myknowledge
WASHINGTON — A 5.7-millimeter pistol used in the Fort Hood shooting was purchased legally by suspect Nidal Hasan at a Texas gun shop, law enforcement officials said Friday.
Army Col. John Rossi, deputy commander at Fort Hood, confirmed at a news conference late Friday in Texas that the two weapons carried by Hasan were not military arms, but "privately owned weapons ... purchased locally."
He said more than 100 rounds were fired during the attack.
Records indicate Hasan bought the FN 5.7 at store called "Guns Galore" in Killeen, Texas, in recent months and that gun was used in the attack that left 13 people dead, one of the officials said. The pistol has been dubbed a "cop killer" by those who have tried to stop its use.
The law enforcement officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
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Also, the overpenetration (and corresponding lack of bullet expansion) issue is what makes the FiveSeveN a terrible choice in an environment where people are not wearing armor - damn thing doesn’t do much permanent wound damage and just keeps going.
He would have done worse damage (and killed more people) if he’d had two run of the mill 9mms as IIRC nobody in the hall was wearing armor.
At least we have a forum to do that. God bless and stay safe.
Thank God he had a Euro gun.
Its a good think he didn’t book two .45 ACP pistols with high capacity mags.
Are you refering to me? Or is it someone else.
Wouldn’t have had to be a .45ACP. In fact, for that room, a 9mm would have been a better choice (more ‘two-for-one’ mortal wounding, etc., etc.).
If he’d had something like the (EURO!) FN High Power 9mm (like my old friends currently in the safe), he could have doubled or tripled his kills. Or more.
No the 1800 to 1900 is with the Five SevenN
the P90 generates over 2100 fps with the same round.
Specifications:
Bullet Type: JHP Lead Free
Length: 40.5mm (1.6 in)
Weight of Round: 6.15 g (95 gr.)
Weight of Projectile: 1.8 g (28 gr.)
Muzzle Velocity: P90 (2132 fps) - Five-seveN (1890 fps)
Muzzle Energy: P90 (282 ft-lbs) – Five-seveN (222 ft-lbs)
Source:
http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product1210.html
Okay, you’re looking at the SS195LF round. That’s normally only used for target practice. The SS197 is the current round and it generates about the lower numbers I used from the SS196 (which the 197 replaced.)
The SS195LF is only used for target practice because the muzzle energy is even worse than the 196/197 despite the velocity being higher. That’s why it’s ‘lead-free’.
Small, fast cartridges like these 5.7 MMJs (necked down .30 carbine) are not really new; handloaders have been enjoying them since the 50's. The little 40 grain bullets have limited penetration, but explosive expansion characteristics at moderate range. This is the first instance I've heard of the FN round used in a crime.
IIRC, it’s been used a couple times before with mostly the same results - in those cases, just minor to moderate wounds and no kills. Apparently even the ‘big’ JHP for the 5.7 doesn’t expand very well or reliably.
An active duty US Army Major was able to purchase a gun legally??
The horror..!
(Seriously? The AP considers this newsworthy?)
Yeah, if you don’t have the AP ammo and your target isn’t wearing armor, what you have is a very expensive and not very effective .22 Magnum pistol.
Some indoor ranges don’t allow the 5.7 round. Have you had a chance to fire one? They’re pretty reliable, accurate, light weight, low in recoil but they produce a BIG flash and sound like a cannon. It’s a little big to carry but any gun can be carried if you want to badly enough. Ammo is readily available and one of the few that didn’t double in price. Quality gun IMO. However, there was one incident where one blew up in someone’s hand but he was reloading. FN blamed it on the reloads, guess we will never know for sure. Still a poor choice for what he wanted it for. He could have done more damage with a .45 but it’s good he did use the 5.7 because many of the bullets probably passed through and out without doing too much internal damage.
The Muzzie bastard must have had at least 5 clips ready to go if he fired over 100 rounds in a short time. If he wasn’t at the range and had 5 clips ready to rock and roll, he planned to take out a lot of people as fast as he could.
http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=57
These ballistics tests showed 4” wound channel in a pork shoulder. Ballistic gel was showing 9 to 11 inches of penetration. Its hardly a .22 magnum. Obviously it is not in the same league with a .223, but it does leave a really nasty wound channel. It would be interesting to know the extent of the police officers wounds.
You’re right and I said clip too. For some reason I tend to say clip when it’s a handgun and mag when it’s a rifle. Old habits die hard.
I know, but real world reports show that (perhaps not surprisingly) the pork isn’t that accurate in this case. You get penetration but not much of a permanent wound channel.
For example, just reported on TXCN: One soldier took a 5.7 round in the sole of his boot at relatively close range and it didn’t even go all the way through, nor did it blow the sole off.
In the early sixties the government was experimenting with Personal Defense Weapon designs which used sawed off little .22 cartridges just like these. Erratic performance from short barrels was just one of the problems encountered. I was surprised when FN first marketed this series, to me it seemed a resurrection of a concept which failed 40 years earlier.
That’s not always true.
Actually, there’s been more incidents of the FiveSeveN being able to fire significantly out of battery or *actually* firing out of battery. Not good.
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