Judge Carter is Granting us Expedited Discovery Immediately

Resistnet ^ | September 10, 2009 | Phil Dedrick

[moonpie57]

I just talked to Orly:

She has 2 good news items that she is very busy with right now:

1. Judge Carter is ‘giving her expedited discovery - immediately’.

2. Judge Land will allow her to present before the court in GA. She is leaving now to fly to GA to appear before Judge Land at the Federal Building in Columbus, GA at 2:00 pm tomorrow (Friday, 9/11/09).

She would like as many military supporters to be there as possible. I called Carl Swensson (RiseUpForAmerica.com), and he will see what he can do. If you have any contacts there, please advise them.

[curiosity]

Not true? So, your poor thing, now you’re even contradicting what your messiah’s fraudulent exhibits display, like the June 2007 date

NO, what I said was untrue was your assertion that the clerk put in the race of the father, not the father.

And I stand by my claim that it is untrue. Since you made the assertion, the burden of proof is on you, not me.

[wideminded]

I'm curious, how do you know there is a vault copy of a long form? No one in Hawaiian vital records or the Health Dept has stated that.

They have stated that although they computerized all the records in 2001, they did not destroy any of the original records. Some sort of birth record for Obama must have existed for it to be computerized.

... the Hawaiiian officials have NEVER authenticated any of Barry's exhibits,

They have stated that they consulted the records they have on file. You may believe that they would not raise a ruckus if Obama was openly and notoriously displaying something that totally did not match those records. I just don't believe that.

BTW, were you aware that there were four different ways to obtain a CoLB in 1961?

I knew that there were at least two types of birth records available and that one of them was available on the testimony of one witness. As I understand it, these records were originally labeled differently. If the only type of birth record now issued by the DOH is the "Certification", then it is not ruled out that Obama's original BC was one of these alterate documents. That is one reason Obama needs to release his original BC.

Were you aware that HI just this summer changed their naming designations for certificates and certifications?

No. But it is not clear to me why that is relevant.

[curiosity]

That's a lie as Obama has done NOTHING.

Let's see. He's posted an image of his COLB online. Hawaii state public health officials have verified that he has a birth record on file in Hawaii, and that it says he was born in Hawaii. In birthland, I guess that's nothing. In the real world, that's more than any other president has ever done.

Name another whose birth was questionable

Obama's birthplace is no more questionable than that of any other president in recent history.

[MHGinTN]

Bless your little obamanoid heart, always wanting someone to do your homework for you. Now you're trying to use excuses so you don;t have to watch the actual hearing you're lying about. Hasn't your mommy told you that you need to learn how to do that work stuff so you can be on your own someday, child?

Here's a clue for you, obamanoid: you liars and dissemblers aren't getting anywhere with your baiting and insults. Better update your axelgreasy talking points, obamanoid.

[MHGinTN]

Check it out. The little pile of turds all return together to make their posts! I think you have them figured out.

[Kevmo]

Then go ahead and post the links that prove the McCain BC is fraudulent. I doubt they’ll be as coherent as the evidence that zer0bama’s BC posted on fightthesmears was a forgery.

Ya might wanna tell Wikipedia that they’ve posted a fraud as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:McCain_C...te_of_Birth.jpg

Until then, I doubt what you say because your credibility is practically negative here on FR. But at least you get to have entertainment, bein’ a troll & all.

[Kevmo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:McCain_Certificate_of_Birth.jpg

[curiosity]

That's right. You can't prove what you say, so you call the person who demands proof all kinds of names.

[MHGinTN]

You noids make this assertion as if you have an axiom at the base of it: "You may believe that they would not raise a ruckus if Obama was openly and notoriously displaying something that totally did not match those records. I just don't believe that."

When you seek to deceive readers, it is a well documented technique to assume as axiomatic the very thing you are debating authenticity over. You have assumed that Hawaii has even seen to compare the exhibited fraudulent items Barry claims are authentic. They have actually stated contrary. But then I'm sure you know that and continue to try that deceit.

Your techniques of deceit are just disgusting in the main, and so much more transparent than you could even imagine. To display yourself so shamefully you must be getting a hefty remuneration for the spectacle.

[Cyropaedia]

Looks like other people are starting to ask why even Nancy has reservations about Obama's eligibility :

NH Secretary of State to inquire about eligibility

Those two seperate DNC documents that Pelosi signed. The second one had the all important Constitutional eligibility provision removed.

[jarofants]

You say they put the COLB on line and they say it is sealed!!! Which one is it? It can't be both ways can it. You see red and tell me it is blue so who can believe you?

[DJ MacWoW]

Hawaii state public health officials have verified that he has a birth record on file

No. She said he had VITAL records on file. She did not say a birth record.

And, yes, that's nothing. You and I have gone round on this before when you first started trolling for Obama. Kos and Factcheck posted Colb's. Both are biased.

[El Gato]

Forms that require a race list multiple choices.

The form itself doesn't offer multiple choices, but the rules for filling it out did, even in '61. Here's the form, this one is a certified copy of one from '63 made circa 1998, but the '61 form, a copy made in 1966, below it is the same, but a bit harder to read.

The field in question, father's race is block 9. Mother's race is block 14.

The one below was created at most a few days after BO's would have been. The posted COLB shows his being filed 3 days before that one, although the births were in the same hospital (Maybe, supposedly, who knows?) and only about 19 hours apart. The file number shown on BHO's COLB is nonetheless 4 numbers higher, rather than somewhat lower as one would expect, but only 3 higher than that of her twin, born a few minutes after she was.

The '63 version has been cropped, so as only to show the copy of the original, and not the certification generated when the copy was made.

[wideminded]

You have assumed that Hawaii has even seen to compare the exhibited fraudulent items Barry claims are authentic. They have actually stated contrary.

You keep saying "items" plural, when I only know of one item, the "certification" that Obama has displayed to attempt to prove he was born in Hawaii.

I have not heard anything about Hawaiian officials denying that they have compared the Certification with their records. Dr. Fukino stated in July that she had "seen the original vital records" regarding Obama's birth. Yes, perhaps she did not have Obama's certification in hand while she was doing this, but do you really think she is so lacking in curiosity that she has never looked at it online?

Your techniques of deceit are just disgusting in the main, and so much more transparent than you could even imagine. To display yourself so shamefully you must be getting a hefty remuneration for the spectacle.

I think you have crossed the line to paranoia. Why would someone want give me a hefty remuneration for arguing that Obama SHOULD release his original birth certificate?

[DJ MacWoW]

They are both Obama trolls. We know there are paid and volunteer trolls. They are easy to spot. And their posts are easy to discount as being of any value. The only thing they do is give us the days talking points. That’s why they are allowed to stay.

[DJ MacWoW]

Yeah and African wasn’t a choice.

[El Gato]

It has already been well-established that parents were (and still are) allowed to classify their race however they want on birth certificates.

Not what the .

Figure 5-1 of the 1961 document (it's a PDF or I'd post the figure) is the national standard "Certificate of Live Birth".

As you can see it's pretty similar to Hawaii's, although the "race" category is labeled "race or color".

But here is what the document has to say about "Race or Color"

Race and color Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite." The category "white" includes, in addition to persons reported as "white," those reported as Mexican or Puerto Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with any other race is included in the Negro group; other mixed parentage is classified according to the race of the nonwhite parent and mixtures of nonwhite races to the race of the father. The exception refers to a mixture of Hawaiian and any other race, which is classified as Part-Hawaiian. In most tables a less detailed classification of "white" and "nonwhite" is used. Completeness of birth registration in 1961 for "white" births is estimated to be 99.3 percent and for "nonwhite" births, 96.6 percent. The most recent figures for other groups are from the 1950 test which indicated registration completeness at that time to be 85.1 percent for American Indians and 97.4 percent for ''other races," chiefly Chinese and Japanese. Both figures are probably higher for 1961, but more precise estimates are not available. A comparison of the race designation in matched sets of birth certificates and census records from the 1950 registration completeness'test indicates very high agreement for white persons and Negroes. There were, however, substantially fewer American Indians recorded on birth records than on census records.

The word "Negro" appears in the document several times, but "African" not at all.

It was also very common for black Africans to think of their race as "African."

OK, got an example of another birth certificate, from a US state, preferably Hawaii, circa 1961 where the race of either parent is shown as "African"? If it's so common, an example should not be hard to find.

[El Gato]

Oops. Not what The Census Bureau says

[MHGinTN]

Tell ya what, after you acquaint yourself with the three exhibited supposed CoLBs from your affirmative action figure hero, then we'll discuss it further. You Obamanoids seem to think your deceits are new at FR.

The first exhibit your pres_ _ent tried to post ont he Internet as a genuine CoLB was as fake as a three-dollar bill, lacking a raised seal. Then, when that was brought to the criminal minds' attention (stupid criminals are the funnest type don'tchaknow), a rasied seal was added to that first fraud and reissued as a second exhibit. But the second was merely a rehash with seal added version of the first, as easily proven in court someday and I shall not explain why to you now.

Then, the factcheck shills for Barry were supposedly given the same docuemtn from which the first two fakes were made, only your criominal hero claimed this was the genuine CoLB he was sent from HI back on 2007. But the third exhibit lacked the tells of the first and second exhibits so we can say it was a separate exhibit though it had the 2007 in a very similar proximity of the first two frauds.

The state of Hawaii has not vouched for any of the three fraudulent exhibits, though you keep trying to infer they have by not protesting the fraudulent exhibits. That's the way criminal frauds like you operate. We've seen it so often at FR now that it isn't even hard to spot, skippy. You definitely cannot know if Fukino has even looked at the Online exhibits now can you, skippy. So you can't assert that Hawaii has not objected to the Online exhibits for whatever reason, can you skippy. You're not very good at this deceiving game are you skippy? LOL

[curiosity]

Figure 5-1 of the 1961 document (it's a PDF or I'd post the figure) is the national standard "Certificate of Live Birth".

Everything you posted had to do with the race of the child not the race of the parent.

Even today, a parent can put whatever they want in race. All they have to do is check "other" and fill in the blank. See for yourself under item 25:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-ACC.pdf