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'Totally Strange' Hurdia a Hurdle for Evolution
ICR ^ | September 9, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 09/09/2009 10:05:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Cambrian rock layers contain fossils that represent almost every modern phylum of animal, plus many that are now extinct. One animal fossil in particular would win the weird prize, if there were one. Paleontologists have been piecing together this strange creature’s body parts, which look as though they were taken from an array of totally different sea animals. This variety of features eludes an evolutionary explanation.

The parts of this particular fossilized animal had previously been described separately and given different names, as though they belonged to different creatures. But a recent study revealed that all these parts came from just one “totally strange” sea creature...

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; catastrophism; catholic; christian; creation; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; intelligentdesign; judaism; science
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the megachurch sermon. Pass the plate.


341 posted on 09/10/2009 11:56:53 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
You are deluded...he has called Bible-believing Christians in general phonies or of weak faith many times.
342 posted on 09/10/2009 11:56:56 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

No, that’s false.


343 posted on 09/10/2009 12:00:51 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

Let me know when you are finally willing to fess up and admit that you do no profess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, that you are not a Catholic, and that you are a liar for Darwin whose mission it is to stir up religious animosity on behalf of your Christ-hating evo-atheist coreligionists.


344 posted on 09/10/2009 12:02:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the megachurch sermon. Pass the plate.


345 posted on 09/10/2009 12:33:47 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: metmom

Thanks mm. Well done.


346 posted on 09/10/2009 12:56:21 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

[[Find me a site run by Catholics that calls other Christians’ teachings “sin” and “blasphemy,”]]

That would be hard to do provided the religion that they would be criticising was actually obeying God’s word, not addign to God’s word, not subjectively interpreting God’s word to fit some mythical macroevolutionary time-line- Oh- they could still criticise I suppose- but hteir criticisms would be based on false accusations- Look- WE’RE NOT the ones who have dictated what the Catholic church teachs- the CATHOLICS are the ones who have done so- That link I gave you shows you exactly why their teachigns are NOT part of biblical doctrine- Their own actions betray God’s word- stop tryign to place hte blame on others where it doesn’t belong- Cripes- it’s like Vabn Jones blaming the republicans for ousting him because HE and HE ALONE was a sefl-avowed Communist and Anti-American who felt that America deserved to be hit on 9/11 for crying out loud- what you are doing is the same exact same- blamign everyone else for somethign hte Catholic Church is guilty of themselves- won’t work here I’m afraid- Woudl that you had the moral integrity to stop blaming others for somethign hte catholic church has done to itself


347 posted on 09/10/2009 12:56:46 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Buck W.

Do you EVER answer a question? Or do you always avoid it, like the ones everyone has been asking you?

Define *Christian* and define *cultist* and explain what authority you have to classify people as such when you condemn others for judging evos.

On what basis do you make your judgments?

WHy should we accept your say so?


348 posted on 09/10/2009 12:56:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.; GodGunsGuts
I’m a Christian, and I don’t wear my faith out on my sleeve as you do. I tip my waitresses with money, not bible tracts as you (pl) do for the smug sense of self-satisfaction that it provides you (pl). You (pl) deny the Christianity of others who are real Christians. That makes you (pl) phony Christians.

According to anyone but you?

How do you know how we tip waitresses and why? Sources? Links? Where's the evidence to support this assertion? The same place the rest of the evidence we've asked you for? Like, nowhere, because you have none?

Who are you to judge others like you do and make false accusations against them? By what authority?

349 posted on 09/10/2009 1:00:24 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; Mr. Silverback; Gordon Greene; ...
I’m a Christian, and I don’t wear my faith out on my sleeve as you do. I tip my waitresses with money, not bible tracts as you (pl) do for the smug sense of self-satisfaction that it provides you (pl). You (pl) deny the Christianity of others who are real Christians. That makes you (pl) phony Christians.

Oh, and since you keep failing to ping others who you are talking about when everyone knows you mean creationists, here's a courtesy ping that evos are so remiss about doing, present company especially included.

350 posted on 09/10/2009 1:02:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: whattajoke

[[For the record, the whole Christian vs. Christian stuff is pretty funny to atheists.]]

For hte record- ANYONE that claims to be ‘working their way to heaven by being good’ isn’t a Christian, as God explained in His word quite adequately, regardless of what they claim- so your petty little accusation falls flat

[[ it is equally important to note that the entire ID idea is over 200 years old and hasn’t changed a whit in that time. Still no theory, still no evidence.]]

Sure htere is- Design in nture, at hte complexity levels witnessed in biology show the NEED for an intelligence- there’s oplenty of evidence showing both this NEED, and the FACT that nature is incapable of creatiung Irreducible complexity, especially on the grandscale seen in nature- plenty enough in ID to show the hypothesis of Macroevolution falls flat on it’s face, and that an intellgience is NEEDED behind hte designs witnessed- just as any forensic scientist discovers- The theory is that nature is incapable, and that an ID is NEEDED- one need NOT describe the atributes of the intellgience in order ot hsow the NEED for a designer- but you’ll apparently never udnerstand htis or admit this as we’ve discussed this many many many times here on FR and still you insist ID must somehow prove God exists with hard concrete evidence before ID can be accepted- (But hte proof is all around you- you just refuse to cede ANY of it, and apaprently htink that constantly degrading, insulting and maligning Creationists and ID’ists that htis somehow invalidates the NEED for a designer- it doesn’t- no more so than constantly degrading, maligning, and insulting the Myans refutes the FACT that htey existed based o nthe evidnece that shows they infact DID design great empires of compelxity that NEEDED a designer- silly rabbit


351 posted on 09/10/2009 1:06:30 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: metmom

[[You can’t rob the authority of the Bible by calling it a construct of man and then use it as authority to establish any other authority on earth.]]

Apparently He’ll never understand this


352 posted on 09/10/2009 1:07:04 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

[[Yeah. Because I trust you to analyze the Catholic Church’s biblical errors.]]

It’s all there in black and white- can’t run from it- and it’s as obvious as the nose on your face- noone is makign any of htis up- the edicts stand as testament to the non-biblical ideology- it’s there for anyone to see plain as day


353 posted on 09/10/2009 1:08:55 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: whattajoke

[[still no evidence.]]

This is a balded faced lie- there’s plenty of evidence showing hte NEED for a designer- Macroevolutionists liek yourself simpyl wave the magic wand of dismissal and pretend it doesn’t exist or matter- but the fact is, it does and it’s devestatign to the hypothesis of macroevolution- but thanks fer playin


354 posted on 09/10/2009 1:11:22 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

[[I’m not the one who posted a list of Catholic “errors” and “sins.” Your boy did a fine job of dividing Catholics from Christians all by himself.]]

See that’s your problem- you DO NOT LISTEN- I never seperated ‘catholics from Christians’ I seperated Catholic Doctrine from bible beleiving Doctrine- there are indeed SOME Catholics that HAVe Accepted Christ as savior, and aren’t tryign to ‘work their way to heaven’ but who none-the-less may be confused abotu certain doctrinal issues thanks to the church that has added to hte bible- but a good many catholics put htier trust in their own abilities thinkign they are earnign salvation, or that they were ‘saved when they were baptized as infants, and htis is NOT biblical as pointed out i nthe link I provided- infants can NOT confess their sins and acvcept Chrisrt as God specifically pointed out one MUST do in order to be saved, an relying on infant baptism for ‘salvation’ is a sure-fire way to miss hte mark- not sure why hte church insists on keeping htis error alive, but they do- oh well- Buck asked, I answered, but apparently, the messenger, once again, is the one that is goign to be villified- just like Van Jones and the White house have doen to Glen Beck- oh well-


355 posted on 09/10/2009 1:53:35 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
I won't make fun of your typing but I do wonder, does it bother you? Seriously. Like, I'm losing my hair and it doesn't bother me even when people point it out. Just curious. RE: my comment that Battling Christians v.389983693786938746 and you saying:

ANYONE that claims to be ‘working their way to heaven by being good’ isn’t a Christian, as God explained in His word quite adequately, regardless of what they claim- so your petty little accusation falls flat

I guess I'll restate it: The whole Real Christian® vs. Fake Christian (according to Real Christians®) bickering is funny.


356 posted on 09/10/2009 2:15:49 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: CottShop
Sure htere is- Design in nture, at hte complexity levels witnessed in biology show the NEED for an intelligence- there’s oplenty of evidence showing both this NEED, and the FACT that nature is incapable of creatiung Irreducible complexity, especially on the grandscale seen in nature- plenty enough in ID to show the hypothesis of Macroevolution falls flat on it’s face, and that an intellgience is NEEDED behind hte designs witnessed- just as any forensic scientist discovers- The theory is that nature is incapable, and that an ID is NEEDED- one need NOT describe the atributes of the intellgience in order ot hsow the NEED for a designer- but you’ll apparently never udnerstand htis or admit this as we’ve discussed this many many many times here on FR and still you insist ID must somehow prove God exists with hard concrete evidence before ID can be accepted- (But hte proof is all around you- you just refuse to cede ANY of it, and apaprently htink that constantly degrading, insulting and maligning Creationists and ID’ists that htis somehow invalidates the NEED for a designer- it doesn’t- no more so than constantly degrading, maligning, and insulting the Myans refutes the FACT that htey existed based o nthe evidnece that shows they infact DID design great empires of compelxity that NEEDED a designer- silly rabbit

Ok, I lied. Did you really mean for this to be ONE sentence?! (Actually, you didn't even end it with a period, so maybe you're not done.) Wow. A very fast scan shows 21 spelling/typo errors. Since you misspelled "intelligence" twice the same exact way, I assume you simply can't spell it.

Please provide me one of these "oplenty evidences" for "irreducible complexity." You needn't get all technical with flagella and immune systems. Gimme something big; something broad. Let's focus on human anatomy. I have some specific questions regarding it, specifically our sexual anatomy. Perhaps you can start there, as we are the most perfectly designed creatures I'd assume.
357 posted on 09/10/2009 2:21:26 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: CottShop
This is a balded faced lie- there’s plenty of evidence showing hte NEED for a designer- Macroevolutionists liek yourself simpyl wave the magic wand of dismissal and pretend it doesn’t exist or matter- but the fact is, it does and it’s devestatign to the hypothesis of macroevolution- but thanks fer playin

Am I to infer that you are "microevolutionist?" If so, that's a start. (Though AIG says you shouldn't used the Micro vs. macro argument anymore.) Please show me my "balded faced lie" and provide one evidence of "hte NEED for a designer." Just one. Arches National Park?
358 posted on 09/10/2009 2:23:33 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: CottShop; whattajoke

“...there’s plenty of evidence showing hte NEED for a designer...”

Sorry, but being too stupid or lazy to do the necessary research yourself is not equivalent to the need for a designer!


359 posted on 09/10/2009 2:24:39 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Cambrian rock layers contain fossils that represent almost every modern phylum of animal, plus many that are now extinct.

I can't get over this opening salvo of a sentence that is quite a painful example of "lying by omisssion."

"Almost every modern phylum of animal." Except the huge more modern ones it doesn't. Brian Thomas *MS is going from silly goofball to serious a-hole rather quickly. He is TOTALLY LYING THROUGH OMISSION. He is obviously a huge liberal, as this is a favorite tactic of theirs.
360 posted on 09/10/2009 2:37:35 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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